Does Ashfur Deserve StarClan? by Bramblefire

Bramblefire contributes to the debate about Ashfur’s placement in StarClan. Warning: This article contains sensitive topics, such as murder and emotional abuse.

Art by TheRealBramblefire (article author)

Bramble’s warning: This article contains descriptions of emotional abuse. You have been warned.

The controversy surrounding Ashfur and whether or not he deserves a position in StarClan is one of the most controversial of all. Many people defend him by saying Squirrelflight was in the wrong, he was a good warrior once, or completely ignoring what Ashfur did in the first place. However, it is difficult to excuse Ashfur that easily, after all, in real life, how many people would honestly defend someone who attempts murder on four people – three of them teenagers – because their crush didn’t return their feelings? It’d be madness. Ashfur doesn’t deserve a position in StarClan as he is an emotionally abusive cat, he attempted murder, and he never regretted his mistakes.

Ashfur felt entitled to Squirrelflight and her affections and never considered her feelings unless it directly benefited him. He felt like she had to be with him and that she was wrong for being in love with someone else. He openly blamed her for never seeing him as more than a friend and Squirrelflight wanted to be his friend even though she laid it out pretty clear for him. It wasn’t him misinterpreting it. He literally wanted her to suffer for something she couldn’t be blamed for. As stated in the list of emotional/psychological abuse examples, guilt-tripping, humiliation, ignoring, constant put downs, being controlling, and being unreasonably jealous are all examples of abuse. Ashfur is obviously doing some of these to Squirrelflight. He blames her and Brambleclaw for his own problems and guilt trips her on numerous occasions. He tries to control her and he’s downright awful to her after she explains that she wants to be friends. He fought aggressively with Lionblaze and was often less than pleasant with Squirrelflight. Of course, he doesn’t have to like her being with Brambleclaw, but it doesn’t give him a right to be a hateful jerk. When he confronts Squirrelflight in the infamous fire scene, he accuses her of everything and attempts to guilt trip her, stating that he is in pain from the choice she’s allowed to make. Ashfur states in the same scene of Long Shadows (pg 274) that he “can’t believe (Squirrelflight) didn’t know how much (she) hurt (him).” Later he explains that he wanted Firestar to die so she would know the true feeling of pain (more discussion in second paragraph). Also when he claims “But I love you! We’d be great together, Squirrelflight. I know we would,” its obvious Ashfur is attempting to entice and guilt Squirrelflight into a relationship. This is a warning sign of a bad relationship. Ashfur takes this a step further when he outright says his quarrel is with Squirrelflight. Of course, it’s not Squirrelflight’s fault any of this is happening. She should be able to choose what cat she wants to be with. Ashfur has no right to interfere. In fact, Ashfur obviously doesn’t care about Squirrelflight at this point either. He’s just obsessed with the idea of her. He’d do anything to maintain that image and would attempt murder for that idea. This doesn’t equate a good cat, in fact, he’s an extreme abuser and there’s nothing I can see that defends him doing this out of love or that he wouldn’t do this if they were in a relationship with her. Ashfur was an emotionally abusive cat that doesn’t deserve StarClan.

StarClan is also a place for benevolent non-violent cats who were loyal cats. A common argument made for Ashfur and his place in StarClan is that he was a loyal warrior. That is a true statement in the beginning at least. In A Dangerous Path, he is seen leading the dogs away towards the next runner with his sister and he was originally a good cat that was once good friends with Brambleclaw. This all changed when he became obsessed with Squirrelflight. He wanted to be with her and only her. He only wanted her for himself and entangled with his stubborn and violent tendencies. In Sunset, Ashfur is openly hostile to Brambleclaw, never congratulating him at being deputy and openly displays his mistrust of Brambleclaw. He accuses Leafpool of lying about the sign about Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight angrily attacks him. It’s obvious he was trying to start something and make Brambleclaw look bad. Ashfur also ignores Squirrelflight when she tries to be his friend and he grows more hostile in The Power of Three. When given Lionpaw as an apprentice, he is openly displeased and it is observed that he never forms a bond with Lionpaw as most mentors and apprentices do. In Dark River, Ashfur is hostile with Lionpaw when he can’t hunt a vole, this only gets worse in Outcast when the two cats fight, both of them fighting viciously. Later in Outcast, Ashfur rebukes him, stating that he’s like his father. It appears to be a compliment, but Ashfur obviously doesn’t mean it as such. Ashfur continues to be a cruel bitter cat until Long Shadows, where things take a dark turn. Ashfur attempts to murder his former apprentice and his siblings in front of Squirrelflight just to hurt her. His actions are hardly justifiable and they are obviously evil. As discussed in the previous paragraph, Ashfur asks Squirrelflight who she thought sent Firestar the message to go down to the lake where the fox trap was. He claims that he wanted his leader and her father to die so she’d understand his pain. Not only is this outlandish, Ashfur openly breaks the warrior code. In an attempt to kill Firestar, which he does lose a life, Ashfur betrays his leader and breaks the 14th rule forbidding murder. Ashfur knew this and it is difficult to claim he was doing this for the good of the Clans. He wanted revenge for something he had no control or no place in. Ashfur broke the code and deserves the Place of No Stars for his crimes.

Ashfur was not justified in his behavior and he was nothing but a murderer and abuser. If StarClan is a place for the ‘good’ it isn’t a place for Ashfur. As far as shown, Ashfur never openly regretted his actions, he said nothing. He caused more pain than he was worth and he destroyed lives. Whether or not he deserved to be murdered is an article for another day, but he certainty didn’t deserve the afterlife he received. Ashfur deserves to think about what he did for an eternity, an eternity in the Dark Forest where he can wander alone in his own thoughts.

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  59 Replies to “Does Ashfur Deserve StarClan? by Bramblefire”

  1. Spencer (Ashfur fan no. 1)
    May 14, 2018 at 4:58 am

    Ashfur was a very loyal cat in ThunderClan until Squirrelflight chose Brambleclaw over him so it actually was sort of Squirrelflight’s fault he turned into a murderer, and he probablay went to StarClan due to his actions before he turned evil, so he sort of does and doesn’t deserve StarClan.

    • Bramblefire
      May 14, 2018 at 3:18 pm

      Um yeah no. Very much disagree. That’s really unhealthy to blame it on Squirrelflight especially when she never loved him and he chose to do the things he did. Squirrelflight can’t be blamed fro that.

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    • juni
      May 14, 2018 at 3:49 pm

      But Squirrelflight didn’t know what was going to happen, and she only wanted to be his friend. Also, she was only pursuing happiness.

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    • Maplepaw (Mapledrift)
      May 14, 2018 at 5:10 pm

      As the comments transform into an Ashfur based battle ground

      It’s totally not Squirrelflights fault, she didn’t love him
      It’s not her fault that she felt no attachment at any point in her life, although she is the reason that Ashfur became a murderer, it was not her fault

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    • Brackenpaw (Brackenstorm)
      May 14, 2018 at 11:14 pm

      Sort of is, Sort of not. Squirrelflight was using Ashfur to make Brambleclaw jealous. then when she like Brambleclaw more she just wanted Ashfur and her to be friends. But Ashfur did the wrong thing Threatening to kill Firestar (with Hawkfrost) Hollyleaf, Lionblaze and Jayfeather.

      • Jetclaw
        May 15, 2018 at 4:32 pm

        Even if you want to look at her hanging out with Ashfur as making Brambleclaw jealous. Once she decides she wants to be with Brambleclaw she makes it clear to Ashfur they’re just friends and that’s all she wants with him

        This is to avoid leading him on, and ultimately she’s allowed to choose who she wants to be with.

        Just because a girl hangs out with or spends time with guy, regardless of the reasoning does not in turn mean shes their girlfriend. That’s an assumption and one that Squirrelflight clears up with Ashfur as quickly as possible especially since she’s going to be with Brambleclaw.

        She wanted Ashfur to understand that although she didn’t want him as a mate she still wanted to be his friend.

        Squirrelflight has a right to choose who she wants to be with and pursue her happiness just like Ashfur could’ve. Instead Ashfur decided to fixate on the idea of having Squirrelflight and in turn gave up on finding real happiness by obsessing over Squirrelflight and going out of his way to try and cause her harm.

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      • Jayleap
        May 21, 2018 at 11:00 pm

        It doesn’t state anywhere in the books that that happens, I can see why you would think that though. Squirrelflight and Ashfur were just good friends and Squirrelflight never used him.

    • Jetclaw
      May 15, 2018 at 1:28 am

      You won’t get far with an argument ‘but oh he was such a good cat before he turned evil’. Tigerstar was a loyal strong warrior of ThunderClan until he murdered Redtail… should he have gone to StarClan despite murdering Redtail and trying to kill Bluestar and all the other terrible things he did, since he was likely a good loyal warrior before he turned? I doubt Tigerstar was that much older than Ashfur when he started his turn from the light.

      Also, no, I agree with Bramblefire and Juni. Squirrelflight was pursuing her happiness. She never implied that she wanted to be more than friends with Ashfur and made it very clear to him they were only friends. Squirrelflight did nothing to Ashfur. Ashfur did all of this to himself by obsessing over the idea of having her as his mate despite Squirrelflight making efforts to ensure he couldn’t get the wrong idea and even being decent to him! Ashfur dug his own hole to the Dark Forest and the Erins should’ve let him stay there.

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      • Jayleap
        May 24, 2018 at 7:19 am

        Exactly.

  2. Maplepaw (Mapledrift)
    May 14, 2018 at 6:24 am

    I love this article so much !
    I was actually in the middle of whether he should be in Dark Forest or not but you have swayed me . He should definitely be in the dark forest
    I have an amazing theory on Ashfur

    It’s that he went to the Dark Forest but realised his mistakes, so went to the StarClan border and begged them for redemption. They said that he would have to prove himself so he started placing seeds of doubt to the dark forest apprentices, making them more likely to fight with the clans. Star Clan said that he could go there. But he tired to stay out of sight when he did go there because is medicene cats saw him they might tell the apprentices who are in the dark forest that they saw him there or word might get around that he was in StarClan.
    BECUASE of his actions more apprentices turned on the Dark Forest and he was able to go to Star Clan after the great battle when the clans were safe

    That’s my own personal theory

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    • Sky
      May 14, 2018 at 10:40 pm

      Nice theory…. I personally don’t believe it at all. But I don’t think that he really did anything that proved himself. He didn’t sincerely apologize and make up for his mistakes in your theory, instead, he just desperately did stuff to get into StarClan.

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      • Maplepaw (Mapledrift)
        May 15, 2018 at 6:17 am

        Yeah, I just had to quickly write it out,
        Some extra stuff that only write in the full version which is finished is that he decides not to tell the gathering.
        Then he tries to tell hollyleaf that he won’t let the secret out but she kills him before he can.
        He also begs the StarClan cat he sees (I think I decided on Appledusk and Swiftpaw and Yellowfang ) to let him in as he felt sorry.
        Another part of it is he came to Squirrelflight in a dream and begged her forgiveness

    • mellowix
      July 21, 2018 at 6:04 pm

      My own theory is that they only allowed him in, due to not wanting to make the Dark Forest any stronger. I feel people underrate him as a villain/threat, sure he’s no Brokenstar or Tigerstar but he’s around the level of Mapleshade, more emotionally driven but dangerous no the less, so can definitely contribute to the Dark Forest. Starclan has already proven itself to a shady thing, specially Yellowfang who used the whole ‘Loved too much’ excuse, such as when: They lied Squirrelflight was infertile to pressure her into adopting the three and ordering Pinestar to kill Tigerkit in Pinestar’s choose. So I wouldn’t put it past them to let a cat go unpunished for their attampted murders, for the ‘greater good’, which was really a problem they should of been reasonable for stopping in the first place.


      - Mellowix

      • mellowix
        July 21, 2018 at 6:13 pm

        My only hope, it that Ashfur’s stay in Starclan was only a temporary. So once the Dark Forest threat had been taken care of, they drove him out again. It’s still not technically impossible for the Erins to fix this, especially since Squirrelflight’s Kin is coming out. Simply make her visit Starclan, ask where Ashfur is and they reveal he was sent to the Dark Forest. And for any upset Ashfur fans, to really drill in the point of him belonging there, maybe add some unseen murder attampts of Leafpool and Sandstorm. Even coming up some ideas/examples of them: The branch that killed Rainwhisker was caused by Ashfur, who was aiming for Leafpool while they were gathering herbs. Then Molepaw died of greencough, because Sandstorm was also ill with it, so Ashfur destroyed the catmint herb so she couldn’t be cured. However Leafpool manged to get more catmint in time to save her but not Molepaw.


        - Mellowix

  3. May 14, 2018 at 10:52 am

    Amazing article! It’s well-explained and full of details! I totally agree with you 😆! Ashfur was a selfish cat and didn’t know the true meaning of “love”😾 , even though he was living in a such caring clan (at least in my opinion 😉). He should be in the Dark Forest.

    Btw I like your drawing too 😺. It’s beautiful!


    Click my name for Meowingclan!

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    • Chocolatepaw (Chocolatestorm) who is sick today and is spending hours on BlogClan instead of doing schoolwork or preparing for her Bat Mitzvah in 5 days
      May 14, 2018 at 5:34 pm

      Agreed. Seriously, your drawing is awesome!

      • Bramblefire
        May 14, 2018 at 10:05 pm

        Thank you 🙂

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  4. Sorrelpaw [Sorrelstream] aka Sorzi
    May 14, 2018 at 1:06 pm

    YIPYIPYIPYIP


    Sorzi (爱猫者)
    Not coincidence

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  5. Butterflyflower
    May 14, 2018 at 5:29 pm

    I mostly agree with this article.
    I actually used to have a theory that cats got to choose where they wanted to go because Mapleshade was happy in the Dark Forest and Ashfur ended up in StarClan, but the problem with that theory is that Darkstripe was actually scared in the Dark Forest and would’ve chosen StarClan had he gotten the choice, so either Ashfur should be in the Dark Forest, or StarClan only allow certain cats to actually have a choice… but Idk 😛
    I don’t really hate Ashfur as a character though, but that’s only because I don’t really hate any characters from Warriors 😛
    Right now though, I’m leaning more toward Ashfur in the Dark Forest, it’s all just so confusing about how he’s in StarClan XD

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    • Bramblefire
      May 14, 2018 at 10:06 pm

      I don’t hate his character, I like him as a villain because he’s complex.

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      • Jetclaw
        May 15, 2018 at 1:39 am

        He’d be an amazing villain if he was treated as such. The problem is the Erins getting super wishy washy over it and confusing people. Ashfur was in the wrong for his actions and what he did was abhorrent. He should’ve gone to the DF could you imagine the potential trouble he could’ve caused as a DF cat? The potential fight between him and Hollyleaf or him an dSquirrelflight that could’ve been and the clan realizing how no good he really was?

        He should’ve been a villain and treated like it. The whole loved too much makes me furious.

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        • Butterflyflower
          May 15, 2018 at 10:19 pm

          I think the Erins might actually regret putting him in StarClan, but Idk 😛
          Now that I think about it though, since Ashfur only appeared in StarClan like once or twice, and there are other random inconsistencies about certain things (like deaths and just random character mix-ups), would it really be that strange if he appeared again in the Dark Forest instead of StarClan? Then again, the Dark Forest may not ever come back, because we’ve already seen a lot of them and there isn’t really any other reason they’d come back (especially since Hawkfrost, Brokenstar, and Tigerstar are all gone, unless Mapleshade did something, but she’s also fading away), but Ashfur also might not appear in StarClan again either.

    • Brackenpaw (Brackenstorm)
      May 14, 2018 at 11:17 pm

      I think the same. Some cats get a choice. Not Darkstripe (I liked him before he was evil) but Ashfur.

  6. Crater didn’t log in
    May 15, 2018 at 3:34 am

    I totally agree! There was no reason for him to attempt murder. And Squirrelflight was always so nice to him! But I kinda see how the people who like Ashfur think: he was a loyal and trusted warrior until Squirrelflight broke up with him. He still carried on duties as normal. And trying to kill Hollyleaf, Jayfeather and Lionblaze by burning them to death wasn’t fair at all. All they did was follow the warrior code and be some of the best warriors. If they died, the entire clan would’ve lost a lot.

    • Bramblefire
      May 15, 2018 at 4:44 am

      To break up with someone, you have to be in a relationship first. Ashfur and Squirrelflight weren’t.

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    • Foxie Spring Butterflies
      May 15, 2018 at 4:49 am

      Squirrelflight and Ashfur never broke up as they were never “a thing.” This is why this argument is invalid. 🙂 But forgive me if I’m wrong.
      *looks at B-fire expectantly*


      ~• Soul of a Foxheart •~

      • Bramblefire
        May 15, 2018 at 1:20 pm

        Yep, and Squirrelflight never gave any indication she every wanted to be more than friends, especially in Twilight when she wondered if she would have elope with Ashfur, as Leafpool did with Crowfeather (at least that’s what I think it was, if not, my point still stands) and she decides she wouldn’t as she loves Brambleclaw. That’s not leading Ashfur on or anything, that’s just knowing who is good for you in a relationship. For Squirrelflight, it wasn’t Ashfur.

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  7. Spencer
    May 15, 2018 at 5:42 am

    Ashfur wouldn’t have been evil if he could just get it over with like Stormfur did (in Stormfur’s mind), and even though Ashfur was horrible Ashpaw wasn’t, so I hope this sentence changes most of your minds (many moons later, in StarClan, Barkclaw chasing every cat who does not like Ashfur into dark forest savagely with other members of StarClan who are on Ashfur’s side like Yellowfang).

    • Foxie Spring Butterflies
      May 16, 2018 at 4:25 am

      Barkclaw? Do you mean Mudclaw or…?


      ~• Soul of a Foxheart •~

    • Fluffytail
      May 16, 2018 at 8:55 pm

      Who is Barkclaw?

  8. Spencer (Warrior name Barkclaw)
    May 17, 2018 at 5:35 am

    I Barkclaw

  9. Bunny1234
    June 10, 2018 at 9:20 pm

    I appreciate you strongly for writing such a longgggg article. Like, seriously. I don’t understand how you have this much patience.


    Angry Appledusk defender

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