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Who Fathered Ashfur and Ferncloud? by Goldenpaw

Ashfur-warrior-cats-forever-30356611-715-1024Goldenpaw attempts to track down Ashfur and Ferncloud’s ancestry

Hi, everybody! Goldenpaw here with my second article! Today we will be discussing . . . **drumroll** . . . THE DAD OF ASHFUR AND FERNCLOUD. Now, I know many people think that their father is Whitestorm, but _as far as I know_, that hasn’t actually been confirmed by the Erins. Right, Kate?

So. I shall list all the possibilities and discuss each of them. The main candidates are the six live, male, ThunderClan warriors at the time: Longtail, Lionheart, Darkstripe, Whitestorm, Runningwind and Tigerclaw. I’ll go in the approximate order of least likely to most likely, so I’ll start with Longtail.

Longtail: He’s over 3 years younger than Brindleface, and he’s her half-brother. Enough said, he’s OUT.

Lionheart: He had kits with Frostfur just a couple of moons before the birth of Ferncloud and Ashfur; he’s also a golden cat, which just doesn’t fit with the pelt colours of Brindleface’s kits. Lionheart is also OUT.

Darkstripe: There are a few reasons why he could be the father, and one main reason why he couldn’t. He’s dark gray, similar to Ferncloud and Ashfur; he’s not related to Brindleface; he’s younger than her, but not extremely so—a year, maybe? HOWEVER, there’s his character to think about. What cat could fall in love with a cat like Darkstripe? He was clearly malicious and evil from the very beginning, and I just can’t see how Brindleface—or any cat, for that matter—could have had kits with him. I’m not going to completely rule him out yet, but it’s quite unlikely that he’s the father.

Whitestorm: Although many people think he is the father of Ferncloud and Ashfur, there are a couple of reasons why he probably isn’t. First of all, consider this: he also fathered Willowpelt’s kits, who were born only about eight moons after Ferncloud and Ashfur. Although there’s a chance that he got Brindleface pregnant, broke up with her, and got together with Willowpelt, he just doesn’t seem like the type of cat who would do that—he seems like a cat who would stay with one mate his whole life. Secondly, Whitestorm is a white cat, and notice that there is not _one_ speck of white on either Ferncloud or Ashfur. It’s not impossible that he’s the father, but it’s not very likely, either. I’m not totally sure.

Runningwind: I don’t really know what to say here. I can’t come up with a good reason why he would be the father, but I can’t come up with a good reason why he wouldn’t be, either—there’s no indication either way. It’s a possibility that he’s the father, but I think it’s rather unlikely, as you never see _any_ interaction between him and Brindleface. On the other hand, you could say that about Darkstripe as well, and even Tigerclaw and Whitestorm rarely speak to Brindleface or her kits. I’m really not sure about him.

Tigerclaw: This is another interesting option. He’s a touch older than Brindleface but not extremely so; he’s not related to her; he’s dark brown, and brown is recessive to black, so the genetics work; he seemed, if not kind, at least mature and responsible in the beginning; and although he fathered Goldenflower’s kits (and Sasha’s, later on), he seems like the sort of cat who could have multiple mates, unlike Whitestorm. I think Tigerclaw is the most likely candidate for the father of Ferncloud and Ashfur.

So Longtail and Lionheart are definitely out, Darkstripe is probably out, I’m not sure about Whitestorm and Runningwind, and Tigerclaw is definitely not out. Tigerclaw is the most likely option, but something tells me that he’s not the father; I’m not sure what it is. Maybe it’s that he’s so evil later on. Maybe it’s that he had kits with Goldenflower less than a year later. Maybe it’s just that they don’t have chemistry, although I don’t really know enough about Brindleface’s character to be able to judge that. Hmm. Opinions?

Signing off,

Goldenpaw. :3

(Also, Kate, if their father has actually been confirmed, could you please tell me? Thanks in advance.)

Kate: not confirmed

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  • Well Vicky allready statet that Whitestorm is the father of Brindleface’s kits so there is not really something left to discuss °-°

  • Well, it’s been confirmed that Redtail and Brindleface are Sandstorm’s parents, is it that crazy to think that Redtail could possibly be Ashfur and Ferncloud’s parents as well? Ashkit and Fernkit are born in Into the Wild, and Redtail dies in the first chapter. Since the length of pregnancy for a cat would be about a moon, so long as Redtail is alive within a moon of their birth, him fathering Ashkit and Fernkit might not be that crazy of a theory. But then again, Ashfur and Ferncloud are both gray cats, and Redtail doesn’t have a speck of gray on his body. That said again, genetics don’t matter as much in the Warriors series, with Redtail being the prime example, tortoiseshell cats are 99% female, and who knows how Leafpool was created from two ginger cats. My money’s on Redtail, although my second choice would be Runningwind.

    • Yes, Redtail is a possibility. Correction: cats are pregnant for about 2.5 moons, not one moon. 😛 If Redtail got Brindleface pregnant just before he died, it could work out. And Redtail is a tortoiseshell, meaning part of his fur is black or brown. He could have passed this gene on to his kits, and since gray is just a lighter shade of black, it works. Sort of. Then again, the Warriors series really doesn’t pay attention to genetics. 😛

      • A male tortoiseshell is usually infertile. So just the fact that Redtail has any kits shows that Warriors doesn’t pay attention to genetics… 🙂

      • Well, I’m guessing that Firestar mostly got Jake’s genetics and a bit of Nutmeg in his personality. Also, sometimes genetics are in a person (cat in this case) but they don’t necessarily show. Then the genetics that don’t show are passed on to their children where it actually does show. Sorry if this sound complicated.

  • hmmm this is a very big question i think runningwind is there father though but still like you said theres no good proof for him to be or not to be their father

  • It was reveled a few months ago. It was confirmed the Whitestorm was the father of Ashfur and Ferncloud, along with Tulipkit and Elderkit.

  • Su confirmed on Vicky’s Facebook that Whitestorm is the father of Brindleface’s kits: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10154780148192454&id=29566467453

    Personally, I don’t think all of the pairings in Warriors are out of romantic love – plenty of them are, but I think there are some that are just because the she-cat wanted to raise kits, and they were friends with the tom, and the tom was willing to help the she-cat have the kits she wanted. Or maybe the other way around at times. ^^ I think Whitestorm/Brindleface was one of these pairings ,as well as some of the other early ones (though I do personally like to think that Willowpelt and Whitestorm were in love).

    That’s my view of Goldenflower and Tigerclaw as well, which I think is why we never see her particularly upset, any more than any of her Clanmates, about TIgerclaw’s betrayal outside of what it means for her kits. I think she wanted kits, and Tigerclaw was a very strong and respected tom, and she wanted that for her kits’ father. In turn, I think he probably admired her skills as a warrior and a hunter, and didn’t mind the thought of her being the she-cat to mother his kits. I do think he legitimately fell in love with Sasha, though – not that it stopped him from being evil, or made up for anything he did. 😛

  • Redtail could be a possible canidate. He died while Brindleface was still in the nursery, and he already fathered Sandstorm.

  • (This is long oops buT here is my opinion :DDDD)
    Darkstripe: Tbh i believe Darkstripe is the father of Ferncloud and Ashfur. Possibly a reason why there was no interaction between Darkstripe and Brindleface would be that they broke up when Brindleface took Cloudkit(Tail) (Just a thought maybe they broke up after chapter 23 of Fire and Ice, after when Brindleface had agreed to take in Cloudkit) in as being mentored by Tigerstar, Tigerstars hatred of kittypets (due to his father Pinestar) was passed down to Darkstripe??????And Cloudkit was a kitty pet.
    Plus Darkstripe was liked by some cats until he attempted to murder his half sister. Maybe his personality only showed changed after Firestar joined or when Tigerstar was exiled. Or he only showed the MeAn side presented in the books towards Firestar and Kittypets as when Fireheart brought in Cloudkit to Thunderclan, Darkstripe is seen as saying: ”loyalty?” Darkstripes yowl rang across the clearing “And yet you bring a kittypet here?” (Page 223 of Fire and Ice) he is also seen challenging Graystripe, who is defending Fireheart: “Yeah Graystripe! How do you know Fireheart has blood worthy of ThunderClan ? Did you taste it last night when you tried to take a chunk out of his leg?” (Page 224 of Fire and Ice) However when talking to Willowpelt (his mother lol) and Whitestorm when returning from a patrol: “Hopefully they’ll have the same good sense as Riverclan and stay away” meowed Darkstripe “After last night they must know we’ll be looking out for them”. In my eyes, this is a completely different tone to how he spoke to Fireheart/Cloudkit so the “malicious and evil” way you spoke of Darkstripes attitude was only present towards and speaking of Fireheart as he seen talking completely different to Whitestorm when returning from a patrol.
    As for Darkstripe mentoring his possible daughter, since there was no interaction between Darkstripe and Brindleface as they had broken up, Firestar didn’t know that Darkstripe was the father of Ferncloud and Ashfur.

    Tigerstar: As for Tigerstar being the father, I myself personally rule him out. As it has been hinted at that Goldenflower was his true love and it wouldn’t make sense for Tigerstar to kill Brindleface if he fathered her kits.

    Whitestorm: However !! I agree with your point that Whitestorm does not seem the type of cat to have a mate then leave them for another mate.

    Redtail: As for Redtail, I believe he wasn’t the father of Ferncloud and Ashfur simply because (this is based off assumptions and bad maths oops) it wouldn’t make sense for Brindleface to be expecting kits while nursing Sandkit. If we go off the assumption that Dustpaw and Sandpaw are about 7 moons old in Into the Wild, keep that in mind. A cats pregnancy round about takes 2 months and 1 moon = 1 month, so it takes 2 moons for a she cats pregnancy. Now then, it is hinted at in Tallstars revenge that queens, once their kit has become an apprentice, they rest in the nursery to regain their strength. So it wouldn’t make sense for Brindleface to get pregnant with Redtails kits again. As 1) going back one moon (Sandpaw = 6 moons) Brindleface would be in the “Resting period” as her kit had just been apprenticed, and there wouldn’t be a chance for Redtail and Brindleface to sneak out and do ‘The dance with no pants ;)))’ As Brindleface would possibly not be strong enough to leave camp as she would have had to pump milk which would have tired her out. And obviously she wouldn’t have been able to get pregnant when Sandpaw was 7 moons old as Redtail is ded rip. Now then before ny’all come at me saying ‘Willowpelt is a warrior in Into the wild >:O’ Every pregnancy is different, some mothers are able to recover quicker than others, plus Graypaw wasn’t Willowpelts first litter, (Her first being diRTStrIPE) and im sure you can piece the rest up from there.

    Lionheart: I think this ones just obvious, as you said, neither Ferncloud or Ashfur have any features linking their father to be Lionheart plus Frostfur is Brindlefaces sister, so um I think it’s obvious.

    Runningwind: As for Runningwind there isn’t enough evidence linking him to being the father

    YikeS this is long oops

    • Well, they already had Sandstorm and were mates, so it wouldn’t really make that much of a difference to how Brindleface reacted.

    • I think that Redtail is the father, and the math does add up. Picture it; Brindleface and Redtail produce Sandkit. Six moons later, she becomes Sandpaw. About five or six moons later, Rusty joins and Brindleface is pregnant again. Then Redtail dies. They already had a kit, it makes sense that it’s possible for them to have another litter, and for the kits to take after Brindleface since red is recessive in cats, especially males. Though, it doesn’t say anything about Brindleface being sad about Redtail’s death, but I can imagine her laying next to Bluestar during the vigil.

    • From what I can tell, yes! Goldi’s been around for quite a longgg time. :3

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