Since I enjoyed writing my Goosefeather’s Cure and my Moth Flight’s Vision reviews, I’ve decided that from now on I will make my reviews full articles. Once again, I’ll say what I liked, what I didn’t like, neutral thoughts, and so on. I know I’ve missed the last few books, but I want to get into doing these reviews again.
Alright, this is probably going to be a controversial review. There’s been a lot of talk about this book since it came out, and it seems that a lot of people didn’t like this book. Well, I really liked it, and I’m here today to defend it, and to talk about what I did and didn’t like about this book.
So without further ado, my thoughts on Spottedleaf’s Heart.
SPOILERS FOR SPOTTEDLEAF’S HEART AND VARIOUS OTHER BOOKS!!!
I’ve been reading Warriors for eleven years, ever since Dawn came out. I’ve read every single Warriors book. I have been in this fandom for a long time, and for all of that time, I’ve only ever felt “meh” about Spottedleaf. I never loved her, I never hated her, I was pretty neutral to her. The most I felt about her was a vague annoyance that she didn’t have much of a personality outside of gentle, sweet medicine cat, and that her only role in the story seemed to be to be Firestar’s dead love interest.
Reading this book was the first time in eleven years that I not only saw Spottedleaf in a new light, not only began to see an actual personality and character arc for her outside of her love for Firestar, but began to really like her as a character. I was hoping that Spottedleaf’s Heart might make me like her more, but I was really impressed by how much this book changed my perspective on Spottedleaf as a character. I really like how her character arc and personality were handled in this story.
I’ll get more into her transition from warrior to medicine cat below. For now, I’ll just focus on personality. I loved her personality in this book. She isn’t just the sweet, demure she-cat who never seemed to have any mood outside of “sweet” like in the other books. Here, she’s ambitious, she’s bossy, she’s feisty, she’s determined, she’s not afraid to call out older warriors when they’re being mouse-brained, she’s compassionate, she’s willing to make hard decisions and give up what she wants if she knows it’s right. At the start of the book, she’s bossing her littermates around and wants to be totally in charge in their game, even as Swiftbreeze protests that even leaders have cats they rely on. She even seems excited and interested at the idea of Bluefur having to fight Thistleclaw if she annoys him too much.
Even as she starts to mature once she gets older, Spottedpaw still has that determination and fierceness to her. She calls out Bluefur for being mousebrained about not wanting to get Stormtail help from the medicine cats, she calls out Thistleclaw for letting Tigerpaw attack Tiny, and she confronts him about his Dark Forest training. She isn’t afraid to call out other cats when she knows that they’re wrong, even if it’s a cat she cares about and wants to please. Spottedpaw hasn’t just abandoned her compassionate side in this book, though. She learns throughout the book that compassion and empathy matter more than being the strongest fighter – that’s her arc through the story. At the start of the book, she seems thrilled at the idea of defending her Clan in battle. But when she sees how vicious the fighting in the Dark Forest is, her ideas on fighting and what battle really means change. She also tries to save the dying Dark Forest cat that Thistleclaw kills, even though she knows what kind of cats inhabit the Dark Forest, and she recognizes that love for other cats and compassion matter more than defeating your enemies, even if Thistleclaw says otherwise.
Thistleclaw is obviously manipulating and guilt-tripping her at several points, and it’s not a healthy relationship at all. But even through that, Spottedpaw manages to stand up for herself and what’s right, and when she realizes that Thistleclaw isn’t going to stop hurting cats no matter what she does, she walks away, and she makes a choice based on what she wants for her life, not on what he wants. She’s willing to walk away from a cat that she loves and she thinks loves her, because she knows what he is doing is wrong, and she’s strong enough to know what she wants in life and what path she wants to take. I thought Spottedleaf showed a lot of strength in this book, more than we’ve seen from her before.
It’s surprising that this book, which didn’t mention Firestar at all (which I was grateful for, we finally got a chance to learn who Spottedleaf is outside of her relationship with him), made me far more curious about her relationship with Firestar than if he’d been mentioned. Now that I know who Spottedleaf is, it makes me more curious about how a relationship between her and Firestar would have worked. I definitely don’t believe she would have given up being a medicine cat for him, now that I’ve seen why she made that choice. But it does make me much more invested in their relationship, and it makes me far sadder about her ultimate fate that I originally was. Overall, I was really, really happy with this book’s portrayal of Spottedleaf.
And here comes the controversial part. 😛 A few years ago, I wrote an article about why I don’t think Thistleclaw is a misunderstood character. I still stand by what I said in that article, and now I have even greater reason to dislike Thistleclaw. As I pointed out in my old article, Thistleclaw sat by and watched as his apprentice nearly killed a kit, actively goaded him and egged him on, and was actually angry when Bluefur stepped in to save Tiny. He also trained in the Dark Forest, went on a rant about how the blood of ThunderClan’s enemies must mark their borders, and was all-around aggressive.
However, it seems to me that there’s a trend in the fandom to try and excuse Thistleclaw’s actions as grief over losing Snowfur. I’m not entirely sure where this idea came from. Thistleclaw was ambitious long before Snowfur died, as shown by his bragging to Snowfur that he would be leader of ThunderClan one day. He was always aggressive as well, in his training and in battles. Not to mention, even if that were the case, grief over losing someone doesn’t excuse nearly watching a child be murdered in front of you and doing nothing to stop it, especially not actively encouraging it.
This book features more of Thistleclaw’s villainy, and more explanation for why he went to the Dark Forest. And I think it’s fitting. I’ll get more into the Thistleclaw/Spottedpaw relationship below, but I’ll still focus on it a bit here. This book pretty much trounces the theory that Thistleclaw only let Tigerpaw hurt Tiny and did other bad things because he was so caught up in his grief for Snowfur. I’ve seen complaints about that online, but for the reasons I stated above, I never really believed that theory anyway. I like how this book shows quite clearly that Thistleclaw had a chance to start over again with someone who cared about him (in a deeply unhealthy relationship, but we’ll get to that), but he refused it because his ambition and his thirst for battle mattered more to him.
Thistleclaw is a villain. He was always meant to be a villain. This book just shows that aspect of him in more depth. He kills a cat in the Dark Forest, and doesn’t see anything wrong with it, because it just meant he was the stronger in battle. That doesn’t contradict anything we’ve seen with his character before – he did basically the same thing with Tigerpaw and Tiny, saying that it was Tiny’s problem if he wasn’t strong enough to defend himself even if he was a kit. He proves once and for all that ambition comes before love (no matter how unhealthy) and compassion or him, and that shows very clearly why he deserves to go to the Dark Forest.
His relationship with Spottedpaw is also clearly unhealthy. Thistleclaw has a son older than Spottedpaw, and is pursing a very young apprentice. He manipulates her and guilt-trips her, like when he says he’s a terrible cat and not worthy of her after their argument about Tigerpaw attacking Tiny, prompting her to start comforting him like she’s the one who did something wrong. This just further shows Thistleclaw’s selfishness and villainy. He’s willing to do what it takes to get what he wants, no matter who he hurts along the way, and what effect it’ll have on such a young apprentice if he starts pursuing her romantically. Their relationship is unhealthy, but it’s meant to be seen that way, and it’s fitting for Thistleclaw’s character in my eyes. It simply expands on the traits we’ve seen from his character in the past. I really don’t understand any of the arguments that this book somehow ruined his character – from what I’ve seen in the books, this is who he’s always been, we’re just seeing more of some parts of him than before.
I read the preview on iBook before reading the whole novella. In that sample, we saw a Spottedkit that completely contradicted any image we’d had of Spottedleaf before. She was wild, she was ambitious, she was bossy, she was determined to fight to defend her Clan and to be the best warrior ever. It was surprising, to say the least. I admit, I was wary of how different Spottedpaw seemed from earlier depictions, and of her wanting to originally be a warrior, when I started reading the book. I was worried that she would be another Yellowfang or Jayfeather, a cat who was so determined to be a warrior, but was forced into the unwanted role of medicine cat by fate or StarClan or some other circumstance. It’s one of my least favorite plots, and I wasn’t looking forward to that becoming the plot for one of the cats who had seemed to actually like being a medicine cat.
But after reading the whole book, I honestly thought they handled Spottedpaw’s transition from warrior apprentice to medicine cat apprentice really well. She started out wanting to be the best warrior for her Clan and defend them in battle, but through the Dark Forest training sessions and seeing the strength of Thistleclaw’s ambition and how bloodthirsty he was, she began to learn what fighting could really mean, and how cats can take it too far and enjoy battle for the sake of battle rather than defending their Clan. Through helping Featherwhisker, she slowly discovered her own talent for healing, and how she preferred it to hurting cats in battle.
Though there were outside factors to her deciding to become a medicine cat, namely Thistleclaw, she finally decided that being a medicine cat was the way she wanted to help her Clan, not just because of her talent for it, but because she wanted to be a healer. There was no omen from StarClan, no power that meant she had to be a medicine cat, no cat forcing her to give up her dreams of becoming a warrior. How she felt about Thistleclaw was clearly a part of her decision, but it felt more like she would be willing to set aside her desire to be medicine cat if he gave up going to the Dark Forest, not that him rejecting her somehow made her feel like she had to be a medicine cat. I just really liked that it was about her wanting to be a medicine cat, and making that decision based on not only what was best for the Clan, but on what was best for herself.
This is one of my pet peeves in fiction in general. In a prequel, a character who wasn’t around for a certain scene or who wasn’t privy to a certain secret suddenly knew about it all along, or was somehow involved in making something happen that originally had nothing to do with it. If it’s well-written or especially clever, sometimes it can work, but most of the time it feels forced and just serves to annoy me. It’s happened in Warriors before, but not too much, thankfully.
Unfortunately, this trope crops up in Spottedleaf’s Heart, and it did annoy me. Spottedpaw seeing Tigerpaw attacking Tiny wasn’t too terrible for me, since it wasn’t some big secret, and it helped advance Spottedleaf’s character arc and her realization of who Thistleclaw truly is. The one that bugged me was Spottedpaw seeing Bluefur sneaking her kits out of camp.
That addition felt especially contrived to me, since Bluefur was so careful to keep anyone from seeing her leaving camp. It’s such a big secret in the series, and it really wasn’t necessary for Spottedpaw to know about it in order to complete her character arc. It could have just ended with the kits going missing, Bluefur becoming the new deputy, and Spottedpaw reflecting on how she made the right choice and it’s a good thing Thistleclaw wasn’t chosen, or something. I’m not sure, but having more characters know about these big secrets makes them seem less impressive, if that makes sense.
There’s a fair few inconsistencies in Spottedleaf’s Heart. It isn’t quite as bad as Yellowfang’s Secret in that regard, but they’re worth mentioning.
There seems to be some odd stuff going on with the timeline here. In Bluestar’s Prophecy, Whitestorm is still a kit when Tigerpaw attacks Tiny on his patrol, and I think Spottedleaf and her litter weren’t born yet. And yet in this book, Spottedpaw is an apprentice when Tigerpaw attacks Tiny, and witnesses it. In addition, Bluefur is expecting kits already by the time Whitestorm is made a warrior in this book. In Bluestar’s Prophecy, however, Whitestorm is already a warrior when Bluefur goes off to meet Oakheart at Fourtrees, and she isn’t expecting kits until after that. There might have been other inconsistencies, but those were the big ones I noticed.
It is a bit annoying when the timeline gets tangled like this, at least in terms of figuring out what the canon version of events is, when there’s contradictions like this. But honestly, in this book, it didn’t bother me all that much. Finally seeing a personality for Spottedleaf and getting a satisfying character arc for her made up for some of the timeline oddness for me.
Now to get into the inclusion of this relationship in the book. I’ve already talked about why I believe this relationship is fitting for Thistleclaw’s character as an extension of his villainy, but now I want to address whether it was appropriate to include a relationship like this in this book.
There’s been arguments that a relationship between a warrior and such a young apprentice is not appropriate for a book for this age demographic. I can understand this argument – however, I’m not sure that it’s so much worse than some of the other things that have been included in Warriors. For instance, there’s already been domestic abuse in Warriors through the relationship between Tom and Turtle Tail. That especially seems like it’s on the level of this kind of relationship.
I do agree that it would have been nice if there was a little more indication in-text that the relationship wasn’t healthy through the reaction of another cat (I’m not counting Goosefeather, he’s always been a useless lump of fur so it’s not out of character for him to do nothing to stop a warrior from taking advantage of an apprentice like that and to act like it’s somehow Spottedpaw’s fault for not realizing she’s being taken advantage of).
There’s also the question of whether including this relationship was really necessary for the plot of this book and for advancing Spottedleaf’s character. Reading about their relationship is uncomfortable, which is why this is under the “neutral” label, it’s not fun to read about Thistleclaw hitting on a young apprentice and manipulating her. And no, it wasn’t necessary, per se. But I think it works well for the story that is being told, and it allows the book to both explore Thistleclaw’s villainy and Spottedleaf’s arc further. It wasn’t necessary, and it certainly shouldn’t be viewed at all that Spottedpaw had to go through something like this to become the strong cat she did. But for the story that’s being told, it works well, and I think it’s for the most part handled well.
In conclusion, I really liked this book, minus some cliches and continuity issues. I especially appreciated getting to know Spottedleaf’s personality better.
I totally agree with everything you said in the article and you explained how I felt about the book perfectly 😸 great job Jayfrost!
Thanks! 😀
I actually like Thistleclaw. He was alright until this book came out, in which the Erins had to make him some serial killer.
But he was always meant to be evil. That was the point of his character. I don’t get how this book’s depiction of him was any different from any of the other books he showed up in, where he was shown to be highly aggressive, always looking for a fight, and was willing to watch a kit be murdered in front of him, as well as training in the Dark Forest.
But in Bluestar’s Prophecy, he could love. Now he’s some serial crazy cat who pursues cats to be…crazy? Huh?
Do you hate Icewing, Hollowflight, Applefur, Ivypool, or any other cats who trained in DF? They were manipulated.
I feel like the point of this book was to shape Thistleclaw into a bad character. The Erins realized, “Oh, in Bluestar’s Prophecy, Thistleclaw wasn’t evil enough! Gotta…write a book to make him evil!” And decided to do a book about Spottedleaf.
Why can’t we just have a medicine cat who wants to be a medicine cat? In the past eight generations, starting from Goosefeather, only two medicine cats actually wanted to be medicine cat: Featherwhisker and Leafpool. Originally, Spottedleaf wanted to be a medicine cat. But the Erins had to make some…crazy murderer Thistleclaw and decided, “No one will notice that Spottedleaf wanted to be a meddie!”
The book really annoyed me. Plus, Spottedleaf just had to know about Bluestar and her kits. Had to..grrr
He pursued Spottedleaf because he’s selfish enough to put his wants over what was best for her. He’s always been selfish and aggressive and ambitious. We saw that in Bluestar’s Prophecy, we saw it expanded on in Crookedstar’s Promise, and now we’ve seen it expanded on more in Spottedleaf’s Heart. Yeah, he can love, and I think he legitimately loved Snowfur and his son, and he felt some twisted form of love or desire for Spottedleaf. That doesn’t excuse what he’s done or make him magically not a bad cat. He was always a villain
Training in the Dark Forest just on it’s own isn’t enough to say that a cat is evil, no. But we see in CP that he knows full well where he is training and he calls StarClan soft, and in Spottedleaf’s Promise we see him kill cats in the Dark Forest during his training. And this fits perfectly with his character as we’ve seen it before – when he let Tigerpaw attack Tiny, he told Bluestar the kit’s age was his own problem, as though saying it would have been his own fault that he wasn’t strong enough if he’d been killed by Tigerpaw, and I think he says something to that effect about the cat he killed in the DF.
Oh, believe me, I want to see more medicine cats who just want to be medicine cats too. It’s weird how few of those we see, and the “cat who doesn’t want to be a medicine cat is forced to become one because destiny” is one of my least favorite plot devices. However, even though they made it so that Spottedleaf didn’t want to be one from the start, I thought they handled it well. It wasn’t just “cat who doesn’t want to be a medicine cat is forced to be one,” she was never forced, she came to the realization that she wanted to be a healer rather than a fighter on her own, it was her choice, and it came when she matured enough to realize what she really valued and wanted in life.
That part did annoy me, but I really loved how this book developed Spottedleaf as an actual character for once, and not just a dead love interest who is kind and sweet all of the time, and I liked how this book expanded on Thistleclaw as a villain.
that was amazing Jayie!!!! And if i might add i don’t think he grieved over snowfur my theory is somewhere along the line he began to enjoy the killing and death and thats why he went to the dark forest.like you said he was meant to be a villian. however that was a great review keep it up!
Thanks. 😀 I do think he grieved over Thistleclaw – he did seem to genuinely love her, I wouldn’t argue against that fact, I just don’t think he loved her enough to overcome his ambition or his aggression, and his love wasn’t an excuse for the horrible things that he did.
Good article! I 100% agree here.
Thanks! 😀
I’d been hesitant to read this book, but after reading the review I might give it a shot 🙂
Glad to hear it. ^^ I know a lot of the fandom hates this book, but I really did like it.
Does the fandom really hate this book? I think Spotted leaf’s Heart is pretty good.
A lot of them seem to, sadly. But yeah, I like the book a lot too. 🙂
I don’t hate it, the writing was good, but for me, the plot was a April Fools day thing…it was funny while it lasted…
The plot seemed fitting to me.
I don’t see how he was any less aggressive in Bluestar’s Prophecy. He nearly let a kit be murdered in front of him, as discussed before, and he went on a rant about how ThunderClan needed to mark its borders with the blood of its enemies. This just seeemed like an expansion of that side of him. And I’m not sure what you mean about Bluestar’s Prophecy portraying morality differently? It seemed the same as the rest of the series to me.
Thanks. 😀 And yeah, I wanted to lay out my arguments in defense of this book as clearly as possible, as a lot of people seem to really hate it, and I wanted to give it a good, strong defense since I like the book so much and it kind of sucks seeing it so hated and everyone taking it for granted that every fan thinks it’s a bad book.
He was willing to see a kit killed just because it crossed the border. He clearly /was/ the kind of cat who would take it too far. Not to mention his rant about marking ThunderClan’s borders with the blood of its enemies. And no, I wouldn’t see Darkstripe talking about that sort of thing, but I could definitely see Tigerstar do all of those things, as well as Clear Sky. I don’t think that’s specific to Thistleclaw, and he talked about his passions and ambitions in Spottedleaf’s Heart as well, so it wan’t just in Bluestar’s Prophecy. And to be fair, I think a lot of the DF cats became a bit less depth-y after dying, though I definitely see what you mean with Thistleclaw. I think he’s pretty consistent in all of the books that he’s alive, though.
The attack on WindClan was the fault of Pinestar and a bunch of other warriors not taking the time to really think about what they were doing, and Goosefeather being a jerk and not thinking through his vision enough. 😛 But yeah, I see what you mean, it was nice to see ThunderClan make the morally-questionable attack on another Clan for once.
Gotcha. ^^
The reason was just fine for me. It fits his character, and it helps give Spottedleaf more character. I wasn’t sure about it at first, but once I read the book I thought it worked very well.
Aw, thanks. 😀
As a person who’s trying to be a writer myself, I understand how there can be timeline errors. There’s so many Warriors books that sometimes it just gets complicated. The timeline errors in Warriors just help me personally to realize that everyone makes mistakes and just because books have some inconsistencies doesn’t make them bad books. The amount of characters and books can be complicated sometimes in Warriors and the books I’m writing so seeing that Warriors has mistakes actually kind of helps me not worry too much about the mistakes in my books (if there are any).
I get how it can get complicated, but it just happens so often, and with resources like the Warriors Wiki out there, I feel like going back and checking stuff for continuity is fairly possible. But I dunno. 😛
Yeah it just makes me feel better personally about my own books because they’re supposed to be sort of realistic. They don’t have to be totally realistic because with most animals, the males leave the females at some point and I don’t want to make that happen because I want to have some cute couples that stay together, but with the lions I found out that lion cubs leave the pride when they get older. I decided to just let that slide, but what really ,add me start thinking and worrying was the age of the lions. Lions are 2-3 years old when they start to mature into full grown lions, but male lions still don’t have decent sized manes until they’re like seven years old, and they have full manes when they’re eleven years old, but in the wild they only live to ten to fourteen years! But my books tend to move sort of fast and I don’t want to kill off some of my characters THAT quickly just so it can be realistic. Lions can live up to thirty years in captivity though,,so that means it may not be too unrealistic since as long as some of my characters that live longer don’t die of other things in the wild they could live for a longer time I guess. As long as they aren’t too old to still be alive. It’s also kind of hard to keep track of how old my characters really are though and I want to have at least some pretty old characters that disappear for a long time and then reappear when people least expect it… But I think I should be able to solve that problem by killing them off after reintroducing them XD what I was saying is that Warriors having a lot of mistakes and inconsistencies just makes me not freak out too much if there ends up being some in my books XD Because I freaked out when I found that out about the lions and started changing the time the story covers a little bit because I originally thought lions could be full grown at one year old, but finding out that they don’t even START to mature until they’re two years old, then are mostly full grown at seven years, then are finally full grown at eleven years just really changed the time the books cover a lot XD
one mistake I’m continuously making is using the wrong version of their/there/they’reAnd since Warriors is still an amazing series, despite having all the inconsistencies, my books could turn out amazing too, even if they end up having mistakes as well (there probably won’t be as much books as there are Warriors books though so they probably also won’t have as much mistakes, but even just having some mistakes even if they’re as little as not punctuating correctly makes me freak out XD)
Great review! I agree with you about Thistleclaw for sure. In Crookedstar’s Promise he showed no sign whatsoever of grief for Snowfur. I can’t wait to see more of your reviews!
Thanks! 😀 I do think he legitimately loved her and grieved over her, but he put his ambition over his grief and his love for her.
While the book didn’t really make my feelings toward Spottedleaf change, it added some much-needed development to both Spottedleaf’s and Thistleclaw’s characters. One thing I didn’t like, though, was that Spottedkit/paw and Spottedleaf seemed like two completely different characters. I understand that her experience might have changed her, but it seems like all her personality and spark disappeared when she became a medicine cat. Her character went from fiesty and refreshing to uninteresting and stereotypical. The Spottedleaf in this book doesn’t seem like the Spottedleaf in all the others. 😛
I definitely agree with your position on Thistleclaw, though. He was a villain, through and through. A developed villain, but a villain nevertheless.
Nice article. 🙂
I feel like she matured into that gentler personality we saw later in Bluestar’s Prophecy, once she really settled into her role as healer and figured out how much she enjoyed healing. I dunno, I just really enjoyed her character here, because it felt like she actually had a character and a personality rather than just being sweet and nothing else. 😛
Thanks! 😀
I totally agree about the Side Characters Constantly Learning Secrets part because I also found it really annoying that Bluestar’s big secret was known by Spottedpaw all along.
Also, I think that you meant Goosefeather’s Curse not Goosefeather’s Cure at the beginning 🙂
Great job Jayfrost! Nice art as well 😛
Yeah, that’s one of those cliches that always annoys me, when it turns out another character happened to see this big moment that they were never said to be involved with before or learn this big thing that was supposed to be secret (I’m looking at you, Lion King 1 and 1/2).
Ah, yes, my mistake. ^^
Thanks! 😀 And yeah, I’m really proud of how the drawing turned out. ^^
Wait, what happened in Lion King 1 1/2?
Basically, Timon and Pumbaa are revealed to have been present in pretty much all of the major events in the first Lion King movie the whole time, before they ever met Simba (they were at Simba’s coronation, they knocked over the animal tower at the end of the Just Can’t Wait to be King sequence, they saw the hyenas dancing in the Be Prepared number, they were in the Elephant Graveyard when Simba and Nala were confronted by the hyenas, etc.) It’s a major pet peeve of mine when in a prequel, characters are revealed to have been present or involved in situations that they were never said to have been involved in before, or somehow influenced events or met someone earlier than they were ever said to have. Lion King 1 1/2 is the biggest offender in this regard, that I’ve seen anyway.
Oh dear. That kinda changes the entire story though, because they’d have known exactly who Simba was when he ran away and everything…
Not exactly, they were at the coronation but didn’t really know what was going on or see Simba at all, and I don’t know if they even saw him during the Just Can’t Wait to be King number. It’s still annoying, though. 😛
Nice article! It was well-written and clearly thought out. You got your point across splendidly, and the artwork is marvelous. I agree with nearly everything you said. Spottedleaf received her much-needed development and Thistleclaw received added depth.
However, you did mention that Spottedleaf was more feisty and bossy in this book, and that inherently developed her character (I also read what you said about her being compassionate, which I do appreciate). Now, these next few statements aren’t necessarily about you or your article, but commentary on Warriors and the fandom in general. It’s probably super messy because my thoughts aren’t organized at the moment 😛
Warriors tends to categorize she-cats into two binaries, or ‘types’.
Type 1: Sweet, kind, pretty. Gentle and empathetic. These characters tend to have stereotypically feminine traits. The fandom criticizes them for being flat characters or Mary Sues. If involved in a romance, they’re more likely to be the fleeting first love than the lasting partner. May suffer from a tragic death for the sake of causing a male character grief. Examples include Silverstream, Feathertail, and (previously) Spottedleaf.
Type 2: Snappy, sassy, deviant (although these traits may become less prominent with age). Bitingly sarcastic and not afraid to speak her mind. These characters also end up with a love interest, who they tend to stay with for the rest of their life. This character is stereotypically masculine. The fandom reveres these characters, citing them as well-developed, strong, female characters. Examples include Sandstorm, Squirrelflight, and Needletail (who are all leading characters in their own arcs).
Yes, there are exceptions. But a large amount of characters tend to fit within these two categories, and I see a problem with that. It’s harmful to support the idea that only type 2 characters can be strong. It’s possible to have the traits associated with type 1 and still be a strong character. This novella tried to include more type 2 traits in Spottedleaf’s character so the fandom would appreciate her more and not view her as a Mary Sue.
To be honest, I don’t really know where I’m going with this, but I’ve been noticing it for a while and it bothers me.
Thanks. 😀
That is a very good point. I can think of some female characters who don’t fit into those two categories, the most significant of which being Bluestar (she’s strong, but I don’t think she’s very snarky/fiesty), and maybe Hollyleaf. I do think it can be problematic, just having these two stereotypes for female characters, and seeing gentler characters as less strong or well-round than more fiesty characters. With characters like Alderheart, we’ve gotten to see more well-rounded characters that are gentle and compassionate rather than snarky and fiery, it would be nice to see more she-cats who get that sort of treatment, and more variety in characters, though I think there are characters who don’t fit in those categories.
In Spottedleaf’s case, for me anyway, it wasn’t so much that she was sweet, it was that she was /only/ sweet. That seemed to be the only setting she had, just talking in a gentle voice and giving other characters comforting advice. She just seemed to exist to be the sweet, lovely, dead love interest for Firestar to pine over, and to be a comforting presence in his dreams. She felt less like a character and more like a… I don’t know, I can’t think of the word, but she felt like she was just meant to be a dead love interest who could then comfort Firestar in her dreams, not a character with her own personality and her own desires and thoughts and ambitions. They could have done that while still having her retain her gentle nature, but I really do enjoy how Spottedleaf’s Heart handled it, it felt like she matured into that personality.
Symbol might be the word you’re looking for? And about the categories, I did say there were exceptions, and Bluestar definitely counts as one.
Oh, okay! You make a great point. The novella did a great job of giving Spottedleaf character <3
That sounds right, yes. ^^
I haven’t read Spottedleaf’s Heart yet but I have all of the spoilers so it’s fine. 😛
I agree with you on pretty much every aspect.
Also, on the relationship with Thistleclaw, I believe that is primarily one of the main reasons he was in the Dark Forest, but I also don’t think it’s alright to have this kind of relationship for a series that’s for 4th-7th graders.
Aaaaaaaaand this is totally unrelated, but Gummy and I submitted an article in March (I believe) and this one probably was submitted during either May or April because that’s when Spottedleaf’s Heart was released. Just wondering. 🙂
Actually, this article was written fairly recently but we just pushed it forward because Jayie wrote it and that Spottedleaf’s Heart is still a relatively hot topic to talk about. If you submitted one in March, it should already be scheduled for a day within the next two weeks ^^
Actually, I wrote and I’m pretty sure submitted this article two months ago. I remember I wrote it while I was still in school, and I submitted it very soon after writing it, not long after reading the book. I don’t know why the dates on the article’s history are different, but I know I didn’t wait two months to submit my article after writing it, and I know I was still in school when I submitted it.
Oh, then I just misunderstood 😛 And Wistep, the article you’re talking about is coming out on Friday!
Oh, yay! 🙂
Thanks. 😀
I dunno, there’s already been a relationship with domestic abuse, so I don’t know that this crosses the line that much more than that.
I wrote this article mid-April.
Amazing article, Jayie!!! I have always loved Spottedleaf and I really liked this book as well because it gave the characters a lot more depth. It was nice to see Thistleclaw’s kinda nice and sweet side, and of course seeing Spottedpaw/leaf as not a Mary-Sue was good. I don’t understand the hate that this book has been getting. I am definitely in agreement with you about this book! Again, great article!
Thanks. 😀 I don’t understand the hate the book is getting either, but it’s nice to hear from other people who liked the book. 😀