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Is Leafpool spoiled? by Blackburr

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September 19, 2017
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Blackburr analyses Leafpool’s character.

Official art from Warriors: Cats of the Clans (Illustrator: Wayne McLoughlin)

*GASP* Okay, hi. My name is BlackbUrr and today I will be ranting about Leafpool and how she is treated too well, and she’s spoiled compared to everyone else.

Okay, okay. Let’s start off with when she had kits. Squirrelflight willingly took in Leafpools kits so she wouldn’t get in trouble. This is Squirrelflight spoiling her sister. And then, Leafpool starts feeling bad cause she can’t raise her kits and like starts moping and groaping like a kid getting their test back. Hecc, Leafpool irritates me so much.

OkaY, now this is where this bothers me. Yellowfang committed the same crimes as Leafpool did, actually, Leafpools crimes were worse. She had kits with a cat from a different clan, adding to her being a medicine cat. Yellowfang at least had kits with a cat from her own clan. Now, let’s look at this. Leafpool has three kittens with super powers. And she groans and mopes about one being blind. Now let’s look at Yellowfang. She also has three kits. Two of them die, so that’s a lot of pain she has to go through already. But one of her kittens are EVIL. This is the worst thing that can happen to a mother. Back to the spoiled cat, Leafpool gets uncovered by her sister and she gets demoted from her medicine cat rank, then Jay-sticklover
bounds along and then Fire-mary-sue gets in here and is like, oh you’re my daughter and you’re also my grandsons mom so you can have your rank back. U g h, I hate Firestar… But moving away from that, the evidence shown above proves that 1, Leafpool is favored by StarClan. And 2, Leafpool gets almost everything she wants uGH
But in conclusion, Leafpool is pretty heccin spoiled.
I know that I probably need some more evidence, and probably some more words too, but oh well. I’m lazy and I don’t feel like typing my fingers down to stubs. So I hope everyone has a wonderful day, night, evening ETC! And don’t forget to stay salty! Oh, and here’s a helpful life-tip from experience: Don’t eat saltines if you don’t have a glass of water beside you… Okay, Blackburr out.

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  • Okay.

    I’ve seen so much bias against Leafpool.

    I respect your opinion, but here’s mine.

    Firstly, Squirrelflight was doing her sister a favor – StarClan even wanted her to do it.

    Secondly, it was Jayfeather who gave her back her rank. He got over his feelings and did what was best for the Clan.

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    • (My argument is partially due to tennelle’s better cat cast, so I highly recommend checking them out.)

      Leafpool was spoiled by the Erins, it’s just a fact. She was their favorite cat and they wanted her to be the best, and here is my proof.
      At first, Leafpool was shaping up to be a respectable young cat, but took a turn for the worse when Leafpool’s Wish came out. For one, when she was having kits, she was the destined mother of the three Jesus cats, so she was treated like the queen of England by starclan. Heck, when Leafpool was having trouble giving birth to Lionblaze, Starclan travled down from the stars to HELP HER GIVE BIRTH! Where were they when SIlverstream died of kitting? It just breaks all the rules and regulations of starclan. But back to the subject, after the three’s birth, Leafpool tries to get someone else to deal with her problems by dumping it on Squirrelflight. This is just selfish and rude, plus leafpool knew perfectly well how much trouble her sister would get into if she was caught. Well, Squirrelflight refuses at first, only to have a Joseph scene where the angel Feathertail floats down from the heavens to tell Squirrelflight she needs to take Leafpool’s kits. There was so much more evidence, which is explained in cat cast, but to sum it up, the Erins just ruined Leafpool.

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      • Well, I’m not Sky, to whom you are proposing this challenge, but I have a point to make.

        Are you sure that it was Leafpool who StarClan wanted to help? Or were they, by any chance, trying to make sure the prophecy came true?

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        • I agree with Sorzi on this one, if they truly wanted to smooth everything out for Leafpool. They could’ve given some sort of sign like some LeafxCrow shippers use in really sappy fanfics, that basically would be ‘By the will of StarClan these two cats shall have a bond beyond the code and their kits are to be loved and cherished despite all problems with this’ blah blah.
          Really they just wanted to make sure their important powerful cats who would help them fight the Dark Forest was born, THAT was the priority. Had Leafpool’s kitting gone so horribly wrong that she’d end up like Silverstream, I’d bet good money StarClan would’ve let her die. They would do everything to make sure that her kits survived and maybe make an effort to help Leafpool but ultimately they’d be fine with letting Leafpool go if she was going to go out like Silverstream (ThunderClan would be out a medicine cat but really Leafpool had served her importance in the prophecy and I could see StarClan letting that happen if it had played out that way). But admittedly ThunderClan being out a medicine cat is bad so maybe it was also partially to keep all their assets?
          In that way it has less to do with Leafpool personally and more to do with, ‘we need these these three important cats to be born, they need to be raised well, within the clan and not risk exile, and ThunderClan needs a medicine cat because the DF is coming and we need every advantage we can get’.

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          • Okay I’m going to start with Sorzi. So if Starclan really wanted to help make prophecies like this one come true, why didn’t they help Silverstream? She also gave birth to a prophecy cat and for some reason, died. So saying they wanted to make the prophecy successful is kind of in the unsure zone.
            Now to Jetclaw, I agree with the first paragraph, but think about this. They could’ve made Crowfeather hate her for a long time, but suddenly he comes to terms with the fact that she couldn’t betray her clan? Even if they did break up, he still treats her like she was his mate. (Excluding Sunrise.)
            So on to the second paragraph, Leafpool had her pregnancy go almost terribly wrong and had an even LESS chance of her surviving. This is due to the fact of, 1.) Lionblaze was a bigger baby than most XD and 2.) She was without a medicine cat to help her. Silverstream had at least an apprentice to help. So they definitely not fine with her dying. Also, her death is very overdue because she almost has no purpose within the clan now.
            And for the final paragraph, sorry to fry your brain here, but Starclan only knew the prophecy, “The kin of your kin will have the power of the stars in their paws.” They didn’t know that the dark forest was going to attack them, otherwise they would’ve told the clans and they wouldn’t have had Ivypool spy for them. Ughh… The power of three has so many holes in it. Also the fact that Dovewing didn’t use her power for the Dark forest and Jayfeather couldn’t either, Lionblaze was the only one out of the three that could.

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            • When does Crowfeather ever treat Leafpool like his mate after their break up? Nightcloud and WindClan prevents him from ever truly acting on his feelings for Leafpool. Also in Leafpools Wish, pretty clear that even if things might be awkward between them they’re not mates. It’s unlikely that’ll change since Leafpool and Crowfeather have their respective duties to bind them to their clans now. They’re older now and while maybe in StarClan they’ll reunite they’re still apart. It’s like I said while yes if Crowfeather HATED her that’d be the worst, theyre at most in love but they’ve accepted duty over love. Thus from what they’ve learned and after EVERYTHING they’ve endured from the secret, to their break up, to the aftermath they won’t get back together while they’re alive.

              So let’s discuss the second part again, okay so StarClan maybe didn’t know that at the time the three were needed to stop the dark forest, then also at the time Leafpool was the SOLE medicine cat of ThunderClan. Whether she has a purpose in AVOS is irrelevant at the time that was the situation. So okay regardless of how BAD her kitting was going here’s why StarClan helped her personal reasons aside 1) She is kin of Firestars Kin and the only one StarClan can see that will bear three kits. That means in their minds these are the powerful kits in the prophecy we cannot allow them to die, and then 2) ThunderClan needs a medicine cat we need Leafpool alive. And bonus Yellowfang went through this before and since she’s such a toughy but with a soft heart she’d see Leafpool enduring what she did and say ‘ You’re not suffering without help if I have anything to say about it.

              Also to return to the subject of the debate which is ‘Was Leafpool spoiled’ No. As stated in my second paragraph it was A for the Jesus cats she was birthing, and B becauseThunderClan needed a medicine cat. Is she spoiled for having Jesus cats, no because in order to give these kits a good life that means tearing out a chunk from her heart forever surrendering any right to being a mother of these kits so they can go to Squirrelflight. Leafpool reaps no benefits from having Hollylesf, Jayfeather, and Lionblaze because after her secret is revealed she loses any connection to her kits for a time, her clan distrusts her, and she loses the post she gave everything up for in the first place literally making it all pointless.

              And I just realized that’s the real thing that is why Leafpools life is not spoiled, because for a time death was easier than living, because the thing the one thing she’d held onto through all her sacrifices was her duty as medicine cat and through a good portion of omen of the Stars she lost it! It’s like if Bluestar gave up Mistykit and Stonekit and guess what didn’t matter, Thistleclaw became deputy anyway. All her sacrifices, all her selflessness just became pointless.

              And what does Leafpool do? Run away? Cry? Die? No. She stays and she struggles because even though her duty’s lost, her kits hate her, the clan distrusts her, she still has her mother, father and sister and is still a part of ThunderClan and somehow THATs enough to keep Leafpool getting up in the morning until finally Jayfeather forgives her and asks her to help him as a medicine cat once more.

              Leafpool is the opposite of spoiled, love her or hate her you cannot accuse her of being spoiled. If she was spoiled, why didn’t she take the easy way out with the deathberries. She’d just lost everything, why suffer more?

              If she was so spoiled why didn’t she just keep her kits and use the prophecy as leverage, why’d she ask, no beg Squirrelflight to take them so her kits could have a good life even if they never knew Leafpool was there mother and if they found out would hate her (like they did).

              If she was so spoiled why not tell Crowfeather to stay with her, and that as the sole medicine cat of ThunderClan with her dad as leader she could make it so they’d stay mates.

              If she was so spoiled, why did she come back after Midnight came to her and Crowfeather saying the badgers were going to attack the clans. If she was so selfish and spoiled as you want to say, she could’ve just as easily said no. She had the cat she loved, the world open to her paws, it would only mean she’d lose the cat she loved if she went back.

              And what did she do? At every possible moment Leafpool acted selflessly choosing duty over love, her kits over her own desire to be their mother, and her clan and family when she had barely anything to live for.

              Leafpool is SELFLESS. And if anything StarClan have been cruel, they’ve only softened the blows of certain things i.e. Her kitting which was arguably for the sake of a prophecy and the need for a medicine cat over anything else. But where were they when Hollyleaf revealed the secret? Where were they when Leafpool was demoted from medicine cat? Where were they when Leafpools everything was lost? Nowhere. They had two of their three with more kin of Firestars kin to come fromBrightheart and Cloudtail. They had their medicine cat for ThunderClan in Jayfeather. StarClan could’ve covered the moon when Hollyleaf tried to speak. But they didn’t. They could’ve sent a sign that Leafpool should keep the position she sacrificed everything for, and they were silent.

              Firestar could’ve tried to use his powers as leaders and show clear favoritism to Leafpool and force the clan to accept her as their medicine cat. Instead he was able to negotiate she remain in ThunderClan at least not exiled.

              Leafpool is not spoiled and she is not selfish. She is Selfless and has suffered greatly. But I respect her for what she did in the line of duty as a medicine cat, a mother and a member of ThunderClan and of a family.

              Whether she suffered as much as Yellowfang is irrelevant different cats different stories and it’s not a contest. Leafpool suffered and Yellowfang suffered. That’s all there is to it.

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      • No, Prowl. As Silverpaw stated so nicely, Leafpool had an easy choice to live with Crowfeather as loners, raise kits together, and have a happy life. Instead, she lost EVERYTHING and WANTED TO KEEP LIVING AND SUFFERING.

        Call that spoiled?

        I recommend reading Jetty and Sorzi’s arguments as well – they are well stated and I agree.

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        • You guys are frying my brain right now………😛
          I honestly now don’t know what side to be on. I have this love-hate relationship with Leafpool tbh though (always have).

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        • Okay, number one: I’m have way too much homework to be reading all of what Jetclaw, so if you want to pursue the argument, could you simplify for me? I would be greatful and two: This is the internet and I can’t understand what you’re feeling, Sky, but the way you worded the first sentence makes it seem like you’re calling me out on bad behavior. Putting that aside though, I should’ve worded my description of her better. Leafpool is not “Spoiled” In a brat sense, but she has been shown doing some pretty bad things and starclan backing her up. Like how Starclan said Squirrelflight was “barren” so that she would accept Yellowfang’s kits. That was probably the scene when I started to question my view of starclan and just how, in a sense, evil they are.

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          • StarClan is a whole other animal. And I won’t discuss whether they’re evil or not because that’s not the point of this debate.

            And if StarClan were spoiling her, why have her run into midnight. If they were going to approve of Leafpools bad decisions why let Cinderpelt die at that time and instead give her a chance after she’d trained another apprentice. Then that’d mean Leafpool could’ve had her choice to leave the clans be with the cat she loved and never have to sacrifice that for her clan and duty.

            But anyways my favorite point I made in my argument, which you should read really drives home a point. Is let’s put aside StarClan helping her kit. When else did they help Leafpool?

            Did they… Strike Ashfur down as he was forcing Squirrelflight to reveal the secret? No.

            Did they…. Send clouds to cover the moon to stop Hollyleaf from revealing the secret? No.

            Did they… send a sign to tell ThunderClan Leafpool must remain as medicine cat? No.

            Those 3 moments lead up to Leafpool losing pretty much everything, and if StarClan was helping ease over every little wrinkle in a Leafpools life, then where were they when that happened? Those were arguably the moments when EVERYTHING fell apart for Leafpool. And where was StarClan? Taking into account that more kin of Firestars kin was coming, and that they might have another cat of prophecy to consider.

            As for assisting with the kitting, I’m convinced that everything StarClan did, lying to Squirrelflight, assisting Leafpool was to accomplish 2 goals.

            1) They wanted the Three to be born. They wanted the Three to not risk exile. They wanted the Three to grow up well and under the parentage of two noble cats, so that they’d have a good life and not risk any of them facing the scorn of the clan and risking one of the kits going dark because of it.

            2) ThunderClan needed a medicine cat so Leafpool had to stay alive, in ThunderClan and Not be exiled for having kits.

            If you have any other points you want to make I suggest reading my argument first since I prolly refuted several points.

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            • You are hurting my brain. You both are acting like two boys who were in my class last year. They were big debaters and it seemed as if all the debates were debated out by only them, lol

              Leafpool = not my fav; Crowfeather = 4 da vin (I know, very strange)

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      • acherly in a interview with the hunters back in the 2010’s i beleave the erins said they did not treat leafpool softly, they have there fav characters suffer the most, so they had leafpool suffer trough not having the ability to raise her kits, loseing her job, losing her reputation, losing her children respect, and also trough a breakup

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    • Leafpool didn’t have to kill her kit for the good of the world, none of them died, and she gets her rank back. I think she’s pretty spoiled.

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      • Comparing Leafpool to Yellowfang is comparing apples to oranges and no one can out misery Yellowfang, and perhaps Mapleshade. So yes compared to Yellowfang, Leafpool got off easier. But as I said Yellowfang sets the bar for misery, so if Leafpool is spoiled, then I guess normal cats are living the life similar to the top 1% of our world.

        First of all, while yes Yellowfang had a terrible life, and will forever be the most miserable and agonized cat next to Mapleshade who was driven insane thanks to her kits deaths. Yellowfang did actually keep her rank of medicine cat. She just had to shift clans, and she lost her place in ShadowClan because of Brokenstar rather than because of her being Brokenstar’s mother. She continued her duties as medicine cat until the day she died. Soooo that’s not Leafpool being spoiled, and Leafpool became a medicine cat again due to the circumstances of the Dark Forest war, and the fact that she was pretty useless as a warrior so it just made sense for her to do what she did best which was heal. Otherwise it’s like using a hammer to put in screws, it’s a waste. You want to pound nails you use a hammer, you want to screw in screws you use a screw driver. You want a fighter you have a warrior, you want a medicine cat you use a medicine cat.

        Here’s also why I feel Yellowfang’s life went so much worse, Yellowfang was all on her own when she kitted and that made it harder, Leafpool did have help in Squirrelflight and Yellowfang, and I partially think Yellowfang may have come instead of Spottedleaf because she understood the situation and because hey StarClan needs those kits so we’re gonna do whatever to make sure those kits are born. Brokenstar was raised by Lizardstripe who was probably the worst choice in mother, and Yellowfang’s efforts to try and set her son on the right path just didn’t help. She couldn’t do anything as his medicine cat. Brokenstar had poor parenting, and a bit of a poor community I think.

        Also onto Leafpool’s kits not dying, did she really benefit from having all of them? She still had to give them all to Squirrelflight completely and unlike Lizardstripe Squirrelflight and Brambleclaw were great parents and I think the three will always consider them their parents rather than their birth parents. So while Yellowfang could kinda never have a replacement for Brokenstar’s mother (even though he’s a piece of fox dung), Hollyleaf, Jayfeather and Lionblaze will probably always see Squirrelflight and Bramblestar as their parents rahter than Leafpool. Leafpool has barely a place in her kits life, besides being the cause of their strife towards the end of Power of Three because she was their actual mother.

        Also the three kits seeing Squirrelflight and Bramblestar as their parents probably will stretch well into StarClan. Like Yellowfang even though her kits died, she still gets to be with Raggedstar in StarClan, she gets to have her two daughter she lost and even the adopted son in Firestar in a way and Cinderpelt her student.

        Leafpool does still have her sister, and when she goes to StarClan I’m sure she and her kits will have made peace, but she’ll have forever lost the right of being their mother to Squirrelflight, and who knows who Crowfeather will go with when he goes to StarClan. I’m pretty sure it’s not NightCloud but I mean Feathertail’s up there too after all. Also Hollyleaf is dead so one of Leafpool’s children is dead now, and okay she can’t out misery Yellowfang but compared to everyone else Leafpool’s had it rough. No where near what I’d call ‘spoiled’

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        • The only part I disagree with is a. Brokenstar can make his own choices, look at Crookedstar, it’s not all about bad parenting, b. leafpool did benefit from having them, I still think she spoiled. Wonderful argument though.

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          • How did Leafpool benefit from having them? You keep bringing this up but if it’s her getting StarClan help while kitting I’m citing prophecy and need for a ThunderClan medicine cat so what’s the other benefits?

            I don’t understand the point your trying to make with Brokenstar that was never up for debate him being able to make his own decisions, but I was noting aspects of his upbringing that didn’t help.

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  • This is a good article. However, I disagree.

    I think that Leafpool is not spoiled, at least in the way you put it. You can stop loving someone. Plus, Leafpool never wanted kits. She didn’t even know that she was having them until the Clan pointed out that she did. Squirrelflight is just being a helpful sister to help her. Of course she feels bad she can’t raise her kits. Their her own kits.

    Plus, Leafpool wouldn’t do much as a warrior. She could hunt, yes. But can she fight? She was taught to heal cats, not to hurt them.

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  • This is well written, but I have two arguments:

    One. StarClan wanted Squirrelflight to do what she did.

    Two. She does not get everything she wants. Her beloved mentor died when she was young and she had to give up Crowfeather

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    • Ok thank you every person here!! I read this article first but I didn’t know what to say so I waited for you all to comment first so that I can agree, lol! Good article, but I disagree as well. Leafpool isn’t exactly my fav character, but I do respect her (I like her mostly because her personality is similar to mine. Haha me and my sis are like her and Squirrelflight. My sis is older than me but she’s more of a Squirrelflight while I’m a Leafpool)

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    • 1. While I disagree about the clan spoiling her, the Erins defiantly did. So basically Squirrelflight was innocent.

      2. You forget that Cinderpelt was reincarnated and Crowfeather could never stop loving Leafpool, even if they did break up.

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      • A writer spoiling a character isn’t the same though as a character being spoiled. I see what StarClan did as them wanting their best advantage against the dark Forest in the best position they could be, and that meant they had to have the loving parentage and prestige of being the kits of Squirrelflight and Brambleclaw, rather than the scorned and potentially exiled. Even if the Erins chose to let Leafpool be important that’s not necessarily the same as her getting better treatment.

        Onto your second point, Cinderpelt being reincarnated into Cinderheart though doesn’t do much for Leafpool. It assauges the guilt that her actions caused her mentor to die. But really Cinderpelt’s reincarnation does more for her herself than for Leafpool. Cinderheart does not equal Cinderpelt. Cinderheart is the cat Cinderpelt wanted to be, and even if she was the reincarnation that bond Leafpool had with her mentor was lost when she died. The relation Leafpool had with Cinderpelt did not carry over into Cinderheart. This wasn’t Cinderpelt revived, this was a second chance with a clean slate, and thus Leafpool didn’t mean anymore to Cinderheart than a fellow Clanmate.

        As for Crowfeather whether or not he loved Leafpool at the time is meaningless when you consider his actions. By the time of Leafpool’s Wish he was in process of taking Nightcloud as a mate to show his loyalty and prove he was with WindClan to stay by fathering kin in WindClan. You can love a person and never show it, it doesn’t bring that person anymore comfort. He could still love Leafpool all he wanted, but he never showed it, never allowed himself to try and show it because they were broken up and it was time to move on. Since Leafpool couldn’t run away with him and that was the only way they could be together for Crowfeather he had to give her up. Could his heart still belong to her? Sure. Doesn’t mean spit if it’s never brought up, shared or acted upon. If anything those feelings made Crowfeather colder than anything, so that’s not much help for Leafpool.

        By the end of Sunrise when everything was on the table all the secrets out, all the dirty laundry aired and Hollyleaf demanded Leafpool should eat the death berries. Leafpool says ‘I’ve lost my kits, the one cat I loved and my role as a medicine cat which do you think would be easier? To die or to go on living?” After that Leafpool had to be demoted and struggle through life with her secret out, her daughter seemingly dead and her son’s hating her. So I strongly disagree with Leafpool being spoiled.

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  • I can see your point, but I still like Leafpool =)
    Hawkfrost: Aw, come on, she’s way spoiled.
    Shut up Hawkfrost.
    Jaysky: I agree with Hawkfrost.
    What the heck Jaysky???
    Hawkfrost: THANK you!
    Jaysky: No problem =)
    SHUT UPPPPP
    Sorry, just characters talking to me =)

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  • I disagree with Leafpool being spoiled, I feel that your distaste for her has made her seem ‘spoiled’. The modern day clans have softened their punishments a great deal, after all back in the day kittypets were something to be shocked at joining a clan, ThunderClan is filled with several of them now, and Firestar’s former deputy fathered Half-Clan kits.
    If Leafpool had truly been spoiled, she’d have been able to have the three and openly admit them as hers, not get exiled for it, not lose her medicine cat position and not be receive any negative effects. Or have Firestar make it so she couldn’t be viewed negatively, like the rich mayor protecting his perfect little girl.
    This did not happen, although Firestar is her father, and would likely have gone easy on Leafpool punishment wise if it had been revealed, Leafpool still would’ve lost standing in the clan and likely her position as medicine cat.
    Leafpool hasn’t had it easy at all to be honest. She fell in love with a cat from another clan, Crowfeather, who she loved so much she wanted to give up EVERYTHING for. But only when Midnight warned them of the danger the clans were facing did they decide to return and Leafpool lost her mentor Cinderpelt who was like a second mother to Leafpool.
    Leafpool then had to give up the cat she loved for ever, to serve her clan as her clan needed her more, had she been selfish and spoiled as you say she would’ve either A. Pressed Crowfeather to stay in ThunderClan and ordered her clanmates to accept that she was taking a mate despite being a medicine cat, or B. simply joined WindClan with Crowfeather and abandoned her family and clan.
    Then Leafpool found out she was going to have kits, and rather than have every queens dream of having their mate there by their side loving and raising the kits together. Leafpool had to break her own heart again and give her kits to her sister to mother in her place. I could never imagine giving up my babies for anything. If Leafpool was spoiled as you say she’d have appealed to Firestar, used the fact that these kits were special to gain special treatment and allow the fact that she was having kits slide so she could be their mother. Despite how hard it’d make life in ThunderClan for her.
    I think the only moment of Leafpool’s life where I feel she was selfish or maybe even Squirrelflight was selfish was when they didn’t reveal the truth to Hollyleaf, Jayfeather and Lionblaze. After Ashfur, the best move when he was holding the secret over their heads would’ve been to reveal everything. But Leafpool I think was so broken inside from losing so much it was just too much.
    Leafpool was upset about Jayfeather being blind because who wants a son to not be able to see, when I have kids, I pray to whatever deities out there they are healthier, fitter and smarter than I ever could be. I would grieve it if I found out one of my children was going to be blind, not be able to see the world like I can and have to struggle to adapt to a society that isn’t the most disabled friendly despite the attempts.
    Yellowfang had it really rough, Bluestar had it rough, and Leafpool had it rough as all three of them had to give up their children. Although I will always think Yellowfang had it the roughest of the three of them, and Leafpool might have seemingly ended up the best off, suffering’s not a contest, and I think all three of them would agree that nothing was more painful than giving up their kits and watching their kits die/hurt and be unable to comfort them like a mother would.

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  • I really like Leafpool I don’t think she is spoilt
    Ivypool: Yeah she’s not spoiled
    Pebblewind: who’s Leafpool???
    YES MY CHARACTERS AGREEE

    Sorry it’s just me and Bluefire with this problem isn’t it

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  • UHhHm okay. Good article!

    Okay, honestly, okay. Just, I really really want to make another super long post of disagreement but I feel I do that too much nowadays.

    Just an apology before I start my ‘rant’.

    Leafpool is from ThunderClan. ThunderClan cats are like, the opposite of ShadowClan cats. Yellowfang is a ShadowClan cat. Why compare those two? Okay, honestly. Everyone knows, or should know, that ShadowClanners are more on the ‘dark’ side. And ThunderClan, is, just ‘bright’ and all that. Leafpool as a ThunderClanner would be well within her right to receive more sympathy from her Clanmates than Yellowfang.

    And it seems like you haven’t read Yellowfang’s secret enough times. If you do, you find out that, oh, Yellowfang spent most of her time ‘moping’ too. Oh, Brokenkit I am not your mother but I will always be proud of you, oh you don’t know what I’ve been through, oh StarClan is punishing me, etc.

    SOOo, I disagree.
    Pleasepleaseplease don’t be offended by this 🙂

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  • Great article! However, I have to admit I don’t agree with much of your points. It’s mainly because I’ve always thought Leafpool was a great character, and was not spoiled. This is just my opinion.

    Squirrelflight helping Leafpool wasn’t ‘spoiling her.’ Squirrelflight did it to help her sister out of kindness. What else was she supposed to do, leave the kits in the snow? That would’ve been REALLY bad…maybe even evil. Plus, Yellowfang did visit Squirrelflight in a dream claiming she would never have her own kits. We find out later Yellowfang was lying to get Squirrelflight to agree, but Squirrelflight also did it to have a chance raise kits!

    Poor Leafpool. It would’ve been hard to be a mother with your own kits in the Clan, but never get to raise them. No wonder she ‘moped’ around. And Leafpool was in love, she couldn’t help it, no cat in the series has ever. So to lose your mate, and to watch your kits be raised by someone else would probably make you depressed! That’s how Leafpool probably felt.

    And Leafpool and Yellowfang’s crimes are pretty close:
    Fell in love as a medicine cat, had kits as a medicine cat, and gave them up to be raised by someone else.

    I know Leafpool mated with a cat from WindClan. But in the series, lots of cats fell in love with cats from other Clans. It’s pretty common, actually. Leafpool and Crowfeather leaving was a sweet act of love, and Leafpool soon realized her mistake and came back to ThunderClan, her home.

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  • I respect your opinion, but I disagree, I’m sorry.

    Squirrelflight taking in Leafpool’s kits wasn’t ‘spoiling’ her. Squirrelflight is her sister, and those kits were her blood. Thats her taking care of kits, and protecting her sister. Besides, StarClan requested she do it. Leafpool being upset because she can’t share a mother-child bond with her kits isn’t her moping and groaning. Usually that kind of bond is very strong. She //cares// for her kits and is hurting because she can’t be the mother she wants to be. Do you not understand how much she loves those kits? She is actively choosing to give up that love for the sake of duty. ThunderClan had no medicine cat at the time, and would’ve been left weak if she had decided to step down in order to raise her kits, or be with Crowfeather (another part where she isn’t spoiled, because they made her give up being with her love in order to stay medicine cat.) There’s nothing wrong about being upset Jaykit is blind. It’s not like her line of thinking was “oh my he’s unperfect etc etc”. She was upset for her child because being blind would make life difficult for him, and it would’ve been next to impossible to be a blind warrior, something that really upset Jayfeather when he could’t be one. Yes, Yellowfang suffered more than Leafpool, but that doesn’t make her spoiled. Hurt is still hurt, and giving up your children is is an unbearable kind. She isn’t spoiled, in fact she’s pretty much lost everything that most people in the real world would consider the source of her happiness; Her mate (husband or wife) her children (first she gave them up, then had to live with the fact that they hated her for a time, and of course the death of one as well) and then for a little bit the sole reason she had given everything up in the first place, her role as medicine cat (her job).

    Leafpool could have easily made the choice to be selfish and spoiled. She had the easy option, a way to be happy: She could’ve run off with Crowfeather, or joined his clan or made him join hers. She would’ve had her mate, her kits, and an easy life. Instead, she chose to give it all up for the sake of her clan, and unlike you said, she didn’t spend 24/7 complaining about it. She actively tried to make the most of her life.

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  • Jetty, let’s keep debating. Leafpool is spoiled because a. Yellowfang helped her while kitting, breaking all Starclan rules in a totally unfair way considering all the queens and kits that died in this painful process, Leafpool was the only cat ever to get Starclan help. B. She benifited from giving birth to the three because when they didn’t realize what was going on, she helped them in small ways, such as giving them honey as kits and other various things that must have warmed her heart when she made them happy. C. She got her role back. Yellowfang had to bear her son killing her mate and killing her son twice. Leafpool got off so much easier. Yes, her kits end up hating her, but she has everyone in the clans respect, a solid role as a medicine cat.

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    • I’m not debating the kitting process because I’ve explained why StarClan did that because of the power of three prophecy and medicine cat was needed in ThunderClan. While yes it was ‘unfair’ life’s not fair, and so Leafpool got to dodge a painful death kitting. But I’d think dying would’ve been preferred at times I site the deathberry scene in sunrise for a moment when she’d have been fine dying.
      So, her spoiling her kits in the FEW instances she could is supposed to completely outweigh the pain of A. Giving up the chance to be a mother to her kits, B. her kits hating her once they found out and even after comingto terms with it, they’ll never have a true mother and children relationship. So in the end the three benefitted not her. Just a few stolen moments doesn’t outweigh the pain of giving them up, and plus it’s also her job to make kits better, so while maybe it’ll mean the world to her sure as heck doesn’t mean much to them.
      Lastly Yellowfang never lost her roles as medicine cat, she was ALWAYS a medicine cat except for when she was kicked from ShadowClan which ended up being for the better as rather than suffer with ShadowClan, she got to be with a cat who was the son she wanted. And her life was pretty positive in ThunderClan until she died in the fire. So the role thing I think is pointless to debate, besides it took pretty much a whole arc and dire circumstances to get her role back, Yellowfang lost her position for a few moons, Leafpool wasn’t able to follow her calling and was shunned for a good while. So what if ThunderClan realized hey let’s not use a drill to pound nails and have a medicine cat be ready to treat those while we fight the force of the Dark Forest.

      There are logical circumstances for why things happened as they did and that’s why things played out how they did.

      Besides it’s more like she got the role back that she sacrificed everything for in the first place. You’re ignoring the fact she gave up any hope of romance when she returned, she gave up her children for that role and then she loses it. No, it’s not spoiled, it’s her getting what she deserved after everything she sacrificed.

      That’s like arguing, look how spoiled Bluestar was she had half clan cats, gave them up and then went and became clan leader how dare StarClan smile down on her. Never mind the deaths of her mother, sister, daughter and giving up the love of her life.

      She’s basically Bluestar in she sacrificed all that so she could do her duty. A duty she lost and only got back because of the dire circumstance of the Dark Forest.

      As for why is she respected? Well hey a cat who can heal and made so many sacrifices for the good of her clan and trudged on even when her name was mud, who wouldn’t respect that?

      Seriously stop bothering with the kitting argument it’s getting old. Especially since there was a prophecy and the cat kitting was a needed amenity. You could literally take out Leafpool from the equation and it’s a no brained that StarClan would want to ensure that it worked out.

      Also where in the rules does it say ‘And StarClan shall not come down from the heavens and assist the living’ well gee we saw a lot of that in omen of the stars. Like Honeyfern coming back to protect Poppyfrost and Jayfeather from Breezepelt. Or Spottedleaf dying to protect Sandstorm or all the instances when StarClan came down to fight the Dark Forest. The rules were out the window especially with the lines ‘there will be three with the power of stars in their paws’ kinda implies that StarClans not taking a backseat anymore if there’s gonna be cats on par with their power.

      Plus StarClan reincarnated Cinderpelt, where’s your argument on how ‘that’s so unfair to every cat THATS had a less than ideal life why don’t THEY get a chance to live their perfect life?’ seriously this isn’t so much about the fact it happened it’s the fact it happened to Leafpool that’s upsetting you.

      So as Prowlclaw said homework to do and what not. If you still want to debate try to argue without the kitting thing because at this point it’s ridiculous because it’s obvious that the kits living was the priority, and had it been Squirrelflight or heck whitewing or someone else they’d have made sure those kits were getting born. And if that cat was also the only medicine cat yeah StarClans got an investment there that they’re not too eager to part with and will try to keep the mother alive too.

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