Why Ivypool Should be SINGLE by Sky

Sky argues that Ivypool should’ve remained mate-less.

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Hello, BlogClan. By the time this is published, Darkest Night will probably already have been published. (Embertsar edit: And you are correct :P) Oh well. Maybe it won’t connect with Ivypool so much. Anyways…

I’m here to go against popular liking and say that I DISLIKE IVYXFERN. Okay? They’ve barely had any encounters AT ALL, and I imagine Fernsong being one of those people who act all tough and stuff. I personally think that warriors can do much better than the ship known as….*shudders* IvyXFern.

But that’s not exactly the point of this article. I hate all Ivy ships except IvyXHawkfrost, but even then, I don’t nearly like IvyXHawk as much as Ivypool SINGLE.

Now, let us count: modern ThunderClan she-cats without mates or crushes.

How many did you come up with? One? Two? Exactly. We need some strong, independent women in ThunderClan, and Ivypool is PERFECTLY SUITED for the role.

She’s strong, independent, goal-oriented, and brave. I cannot imagine her leaning against a tom, not even once.

Now, snapping into reality of warriors.

It’s pretty obvious that the silver she-cat with kits is Ivypool.

So.

Either the silver she-cat is, surprisingly, some other cat, OR Ivypool is a single mother.

Simple as that.

We haven’t seen a single mother since the first series, with Frostfur and her mysterious mate and Brindleface who asked Whitestorm to help her have another litter after Redtail’s death.

We’ll just say that it’s been a long time since we’ve had a single mom, and Ivypool, one of the most capable warriors we know, will be perfect for the role of a single mother.

Think about it!

There was no tom in the vision, was there, unless I read wrong? No tom! So maybe that symbolizes Ivypool being single!

I absolutely adore that idea because I can’t get the idea of miniature Ivypools out of my mind. I think that Ivypool would be that tough mom who loves her kits but is strict to them because of that.

I also think that a single mother will give a boost to the complexity and differences of cats in warriors. I mean, honestly, is anyone bored of reading about those “perfect couples” that have a happy life and have, say, a kid that dies before one of them breaks into tears when the other dies? Having a singular she-cat like Ivypool will make her and her kits more interesting and a more compelling read.

Plus, if Ivypool gets a mate, even though she’s my favorite character, I will be severely disappointed and not read any scenes of her while she’s a queen nor any scenes of her and her mate. Period.

All in all, we really need a more complex queen and couple, and more interesting kits. Since Ivypool is a relatively major character, unlike Frostfur, we might get to see her kits growing up without a father. Wouldn’t that be interesting?

Anyways…

Signing out,
Sky!

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Fawnspot
Fawnspot
November 29, 2017 9:32 pm

I think Ivypool should be a single mother, though I think it is cool that Fernsong would be willing to go to the nursery so Ivypool doesn’t have to stop patrolling and hunting.

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November 29, 2017 9:51 pm
Reply to  Fawnspot

Why do we almost have the same name? I AM THE ONE AND ONLY FAWNSPOTS! 🙂

All Spark wants for Christmas is a New Front Tooth (Sparktooth :P)
All Spark wants for Christmas is a New Front Tooth (Sparktooth :P)
November 29, 2017 11:58 pm

Wait, by ‘Blixemistar of Youtueclan’ do you mean you’re the real Blixemi? If you are then I’MMA HUGE FAN! If not XD oops sorry.

🦌 Fawnpaw(spots) That Is A Foxy Nerd🦌
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November 30, 2017 1:11 am

Sorry, but I’m not Blimexi. This is just the name I use for a secret clan called YouTubeclan that I made. I a huge fan of Blixemi too though! I’ll change my name so there isn’t any confusion.

All Spark wants for Christmas is a New Front Tooth (Sparktooth :P)
All Spark wants for Christmas is a New Front Tooth (Sparktooth :P)
November 30, 2017 1:40 pm

Lol that’s ok, it doesn’t mean you have to change your name. I actually really liked it! 😉

Moonpaw who is also Moonbreeze
Moonpaw who is also Moonbreeze
December 1, 2017 2:42 am

Oh… never mind. I thought you were Blixemi… opps. Blixemi is the best!

Slippaw Slipping On Ice That Doest-Exist Where I Live (formerly willowpaw)
Slippaw Slipping On Ice That Doest-Exist Where I Live (formerly willowpaw)
November 30, 2017 7:48 am

YES YES YES

thank you for writing this! I’ve always loved that Ivypool was single, and I really hope it stays that way! (though im pretty sure fernivy is a thing LIKE NO THERE IS A PROPHECY ABOUT YALL BEING RELATED) Back in the valentines day times of 2015 I wrote a story about how Ivypool was like YO IM Single or whatever (but I couldn’t submit it because it didn’t work) I t made a lot more sense writing it. But I am really glad that she has been so independent throughout the series

Spottedpaw/Spottedstream/Spotted Fish in Stream/Spotted Stream
Spottedpaw/Spottedstream/Spotted Fish in Stream/Spotted Stream
December 2, 2017 9:35 pm

YES!!!! This was a really good article and I AGREE SO MUCH!!!! Thank you, Slippaw!!! 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

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Aster is Meowing for Chinese New Year!!! (Asterstorm/ Meowing Aster/ Astie)
November 30, 2017 11:59 am

Totally agree with you! Though I haven’t read AVoS yet, my intuition just tell me that Ivypool shouldn’t get a mate😛. And I agree there should be more mateless cats in Warriors.


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Wishpool
Wishpool
November 30, 2017 2:34 pm

You guys need to calm down. If you’ve read AVoS, you’d know that Fernsong isn’t tough and is compatible with Ivypool. He lets her have her independence while all the same being a shoulder to lean on.

HawkxIvy is incredibly unhealthy. Why do people ship this?

Sky
Sky
December 1, 2017 12:40 am
Reply to  Wishpool

Because they actually have the most development of the Ivy ships.

We’re not in a frenzy. I’ve read AVoS. And that’s precisely it!!! Fernsong is a softie!!! He brings no fire to Ivypool. Around him, her personality totally changes into some kind, soft she-cat.


2019, here I come!

Foxtail (Foxie)
Foxtail (Foxie)
December 1, 2017 12:43 am
Reply to  Sky

Well different cat personalities do bring balances to each other and that’s good in relationships (sometimes). I wouldn’t say you’re all in a frenzy, but maybe obsessed?? 😛


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Jayfrost
Jayfrost
December 1, 2017 3:01 am
Reply to  Sky

What development do they have, though? There was never any indication of something romantic between them in the books. He was her mentor initially, and then when she realized his true intentions, she began to fear and hate him, and then he tried to kill her during the battle. With Fernsong, it’s been shown clearly that she has a romantic interest in him. With Hawk and Ivy, there was never any indication of that, and he manipulated her to try and make her hate her own family. Wish is right, they’re not a healthy relationship at all.


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Sky
Sky
December 1, 2017 3:08 am
Reply to  Jayfrost

I never said that I shipped them. But if I had to pick, IvyXHawk it is.

With Fernsong, I’ll ask the same question. What development do we have? And what did we even really know about Fernsong before Darkest Night?


2019, here I come!

Jayfrost
Jayfrost
December 1, 2017 3:10 am
Reply to  Sky

I wasn’t responding to you shipping them, I was responding to the assertation that they had development as a couple, which I don’t get at all.

We don’t have a ton yet, admittedly, but I think there’s room for more development for them in the future. And we didn’t know a lot, but they’re in the background at the moment, which is true of pretty much every character except for Twigpaw, Violetshine, and Alderheart right now.


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Sky
Sky
December 1, 2017 3:19 am
Reply to  Jayfrost

A good point. However, even background characters got at least a bit of developmental spotlight. FernXIvy had none.

I just wanted to make a point that, since Ivypool has a mate now, Fernsong should die so that she can be a single mom.


2019, here I come!

Jayfrost
Jayfrost
December 1, 2017 3:25 am
Reply to  Sky

Not necessarily. Plenty of background couples had never even shared a line of dialogue, let alone gotten any development. I don’t think Goldenflower and Tigerclaw were ever shown having a conversation, any plenty of other couples have the same problem. Fernsong and Ivypool have more than them – we’ve seen them hunting together and flirting a bit before becoming mates, and now we’ve seen them discussing their future and Fernsong being willing to move into the nursery.

Aw, no, I don’t want Fernsong to die. I want to see him being happy as a stay-at-home dad while Ivypool goes off to hunt and remains the strong, independent sort of warrior we’ve seen before, with her mate and kits not changing that aspect of her personality.


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Sky
Sky
December 1, 2017 3:30 am
Reply to  Jayfrost

Alright, so I’ve gotten into plenty of debates in which someone has asked us to agree to disagree. We’ve made our points, so let’s part ways knowing about the other’s opinion.

I’m pretty sure Tigerstar manipulated her into having his kits or did something not good for little kids to know about, which is why they had no development – because there wasn’t any XD.

The trouble is that every single she-cat in warriors who has ever gotten a bit of feature is getting a mate. I don’t see a mate as a reward or anything.

We can have another stay-at-home-dad. In my opinion, Fernsong turns Ivypool into a softie she-cat that I don’t want to see or read about.


2019, here I come!

Jayfrost
Jayfrost
December 1, 2017 3:53 am
Reply to  Sky

Oh dear, Tigerstar’s pretty awful, but I’d like to think he’s not /that/ awful. O.O Besides, if he’d done something like that, I think he would’ve been exiled a heck of a lot sooner. 😛 Nah, I personally like to think that they were never in love, it was just a relationship to have kits on both sides. Goldenflower admired and respected how strong a warrior Tigerclaw was, and thought he’d make a good father for her kits, and Tigerclaw though Goldenflower was a talented hunter with a good head on her shoulders that would make a good mother for his kits. Hence the lack of angst from Goldenflower when her mate was exiled. 😛 But that’s just my personal headcanon. ^^

Oh, I definitely don’t think getting a mate should be seen as a reward. I just want Ivypool to be happy, and I think that Fernsong makes her happy, and she makes Fernsong happy. 🙂 But no, mates should never be seen as prizes to be won, as something that someone earns the right to own. That’s how you wind up with entitled little jerks like Ashfur. 😛

I haven’t seen any sign of Ivypool growing softer. 😛 She seems as tough and as strong a warrior as ever. Having a mate and children doesn’t automatically make someone weak. 😛


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Jaysnow the Snowman
Jaysnow the Snowman
December 1, 2017 3:42 am
Reply to  Jayfrost

Um, Fern x Ivy has had development, even if it wasn’t a lot.

I personally do not get the hate with this ship but -shrug-. It’s my favorite in AVOS.

Redmoon
Redmoon
December 1, 2017 3:50 am
Reply to  Wishpool

Woah, okay so in the beginning I was on board with you Sky, about Ivypool not getting a mate. That was until I put some thought into it and realized Ivypool never really got to show her more emotional side. She always had to be tough with no shoulder to lean on or any cat to confide in like Dovewing did. The only time you could ever get a hint of her emotional side was pretty much her thoughts, or voicing her concern to Dovewing about why her and Tigerstar shouldn’t have been together. Hawkfrost was an evil cat, not to mention a DEAD tom, which would have never worked out in a relationship with Ivypool anyway. He was terribly toxic, and with his and the other Dark Forest warriors training, molded Ivypool into the cat she is today. If Fernsong is gentle enough to bring Ivypool out of her shell and make her happy (Ivypool is my absolute favorite by the way), then I don’t mind them being together.
I just don’t think it’s a good time for them to have kits at the moment with ThunderClan being so full.

Foxtail (Foxie)
Foxtail (Foxie)
December 1, 2017 6:04 am
Reply to  Redmoon

Agreed


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December 1, 2017 4:33 am
Reply to  Wishpool

I know you didn’t mean to offend anyone, but saying “you need to calm down” to someone’s opinion invalidates their points and can be very hurtful. ^^


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Moonpaw who is also Moonbreeze
Moonpaw who is also Moonbreeze
December 1, 2017 2:02 am

You are definetly right I just realized how much better she would be as a single mom!

Clover Hanging on the Paws of a Cat After It Clawed Me Off the Tree (Cloverpaw)
Clover Hanging on the Paws of a Cat After It Clawed Me Off the Tree (Cloverpaw)
December 7, 2017 1:27 pm

I know this has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but WHAT THE DARK FOREST HAS GOTTEN INTO BRAMBLESTAR’S MIND???????????

I love Bramblestar and all as ThunderClan leader, but he really needs to shape things up, specifically in naming ceremonies. I mean, FERNSONG??? LARKSONG??? WHAT THE STARCLAN IS GOING ON???? Bramble, you’re a creative cat, so SHOW IT! When you named Lionblaze’s kit like he was a she-cat, I thought Ivypool had become Lesbian! COuldn’t you have done Fernwhisker? Larkfoot? It’s that simple.

Sorry about the ramble. I just had to get it outta my head.

Jayfrost
Jayfrost
December 7, 2017 7:19 pm

What’s wrong with guys having feminine names, or girls having masculine nsmes? I think Fernsong is a lovely name, and it fits his gentle personality. ^^


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Jaysnow the Snowman
Jaysnow the Snowman
December 7, 2017 7:22 pm
Reply to  Jayfrost

^^
I also hope we get more females with the suffix claw.

Jayfrost
Jayfrost
December 7, 2017 7:25 pm

Same. ^^


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Foxtail (Foxie)
Foxtail (Foxie)
December 7, 2017 7:31 pm
Reply to  Jayfrost

Agreed!!

Hey I like the name Fernsong 🙂 To me it sounds both masculine and feminine. It suits his personality like Jayie says.
Think about the name Oakbreeze. “Oak” is used for toms usually but the suffix makes it capable of being used for a she-cat. It’s like we are now all of the sudden judging a girl named Stevie or Riley or even Gabriel. A name does not define your gender (only your DNA does). 😉


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Jayfrost
Jayfrost
December 7, 2017 8:11 pm

Your biological gender, anyway. ^^


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December 16, 2019 4:59 am

I think Fernsong and Larksong are ok tom names. (And I thought Lionheart and Jayfeather were girls when I first saw them…..)


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moonshadow
moonshadow
December 8, 2017 9:52 pm

Yes!!!!! Ivypool doesn’t need a Tom!


moonshadow :3

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July 11, 2020 1:00 pm
Reply to  moonshadow

*takes deep breaths.*
SHE CAN STILL BE STRONG WITH A TOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Lionpaw(pool)
Lionpaw(pool)
October 24, 2020 11:34 pm

maybe… but, i wish she didn’t have fernsong, it takes away from her stability in the clan, i guess.

Sol
Sol
December 27, 2017 8:12 am

I don’t care as long as it is still a good series, I personally think Ivypool deserves a mate after all she’s been through.

Also, have you noticed the warriors wiki is listing Fernsong as Ivypool’s mate?

Sol
Sol
December 27, 2017 8:13 am
Reply to  Sol

I also agree that having Ivypool as a single mother would be interesting

Sol
Sol
December 28, 2017 8:13 am
Reply to  Sol

I might’ve missed something in The Darkest Night.

Beeheart
Beeheart
September 17, 2018 11:01 pm
Reply to  Sol

Yeah, I haven’t read The Darkest Night yet. Fill me in? Thank you!!

hollyheart
hollyheart
May 2, 2018 6:39 pm

who is ivypool?

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July 11, 2020 12:57 pm
Reply to  hollyheart

She’s a Warriors cat! Her biggest role is in Omen of the Stars.
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Turtle ships GrayXSilver forever! (Turtlepaw/ dapple 🐢🐢🐢)
July 11, 2020 12:56 pm

Ok, ok. Here I go, defending IvyXFern.

They have SO MUCH potential! They flirt with each other in the first few AVoS books, and finally settle down together in book four!
They’re both very, very kind. Fernsong loves Ivypool for who she is, and she loves him back.
Their age difference is NOT THAT BIG. It’s like two years, MAYBE three.
That’s not big at all!
Also, just because she has a mate doesn’t mean she wouldn’t still be a strong female character!
That had NOTHING to do with having a mate AT ALL!
So there you have it, folks! That was me, defending IvyXFern. 🙂
Turtle 🐢

Shimmersplash
Shimmersplash
October 24, 2020 10:52 pm

Since it was published SO long ago, She had fernsong as a mate, and he stayed in the nersury as a parent. AFTER they could eat meat of course. THe siver cat is (i think) DOVEWING


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