Why I think Thistleclaw was Bad by Purpleshade

Purpleshade explains their feelings on Thistleclaw. 

Hello everyone! This is my second article. Some people say that Thistleclaw didn’t deserve to be sent to the Dark Forest. Personally, I cannot see why they think he’s okay.

First, look at how he treated Tigerpaw(claw,star). He orders him around and just makes him battle train. Sure, being a little lovey dovey with Snowfur is nice. Haven’t some bad guys have mates? They are still evil and deserve the Dark Forest. He basically threatened Bluefur(star) because she TALKED to her NEPHEW. What in the world is wrong with that?

He told her that if he thought she was making Whitekit(paw,storm) soft, he would prevent her from hanging out with him. Didn’t Bluefur(star)’s relationship make his son happier? Why didn’t he just tell her nicely to stay away instead of doing threats? Also, we all remember Thistleclaw ordering Tigerpaw(claw,star) to attack an innocent kit. (Later became Scourge) Just because he didn’t attack the kit himself doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be blamed. Sure, Tigerpaw agreed. He was doing what Thistleclaw had trained and told him to do. Obey and listen.

For me, Tigerpaw became evil because of Thistleclaw. He didn’t do his duty as a mentor and actually teach him that life wasn’t just one battle after another. It even mentions in Spottedleaf’s Heart about how he trains him. The whole entire book each time he basically trains him. Hunting, nope. Elders, StarClan help them. Proof of this even goes to the Prophecies Begins. The elders mention to Tawnypaw that Tigerstar never liked doing the elders ticks. My question: Why didn’t Thistleclaw actually tell him to do the elders ticks? All he did was battle train. Was this good mentoring? Does this make him any better?

In Crookedstar’s Promise, Thistleclaw appears again. He trained with Mapleshade out of all cats and LIKED IT. Secretly he was planning to kill Bluefur(star) because supposedly it was her fault that Snowfur died. Was this being a good cat? Hey, my mate died! A monster hit her. Let’s blame her sister who tried to help her! Also, in Spottedleaf’s Heart he KILLED A CAT. Was this very noble or just? Sure, Mapleshade ‘ordered’ him to do it. Thistleclaw had every right to refuse. People say he also was loving. How was he so loving? He wouldn’t even give up he lousy Dark Forest for Spottedleaf. Loving? Apparently.

If he truly loved Snowfur, he would respect her sister and what his son wanted. Whitekit(storm) liked Bluefur(star) to hang out with him. Why didn’t Thistleclaw respect his descision? He died challenging a rival patrol. Bluestar even remarked that he has his claws unsheathed to the last. Was dying in an unesscessary battle nice and happy of him? I don’t even want to list the Dark Forest training when Ivypool was spying. That list can go on and on. Honestly, I really don’t get how people can say that he should’ve gone to StarClan. The second someone mentions his name I can list several awful things he did. Is that sad or what? What do you guys think?

Hope you liked my article!
-Purpleshade

  32 Replies to “Why I think Thistleclaw was Bad by Purpleshade”

  1. April 14, 2018 at 12:07 am

    I never thought thistleclaw was good I was surprised when you mention some think he was good


  2. April 14, 2018 at 12:10 am

    Nice article! I think Thistleclaw should be in the DF too. 🙂


    Creator of Destinywish Prophcy

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  3. Sky
    April 14, 2018 at 1:19 am

    For this comment, I’m focusing on only your point that Thistleclaw was the cause of Tigerstar’s evilness.

    One word to show my opinion: Untrue.

    What about Pinestar? I think that the huge root cause of Tigerstar’s evilness was his father abandoning him and his mother to do what? BECOME A KITTYPET. Pinestar never even took good care of Tigerkit just because Pinestar was all concerned about some warning that, in the end, PINESTAR HELPED CREATE.

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    • April 14, 2018 at 3:34 am

      I guess


    • 🌷Cheetah Tumbling into Spring Meadow... uh... Sparkishly (Cheetahpaw/spark)🌷
      April 14, 2018 at 4:33 am

      I agree with that, but I mostly think it was a large range of influences. Pinestar was definitely a factor in how Tigerstar turned out, but so was Thistleclaw. And let’s not forget Tigerstar’s own contributions to how he turned out. Sure, Pinestar started it all, but in the end, it was Tigerstar’s choice.


      Spidey4SW

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      • Sky
        April 14, 2018 at 3:25 pm

        I’m not saying that it Thistleclaw took zero part in it, I’m merely saying that Pinestar definitely had a larger impact as Tigerstar’s FATHER. I agree on the fact that Tigerstar made his own choices, though.

    • Sorrelpaw [Sorrelstream] aka Sorzi
      April 14, 2018 at 8:09 am

      But all the other cats in ThunderClan didn’t become vicious and cruel because Pinestar left!


      Sorzi (爱猫者)
      Not coincidence

    • April 14, 2018 at 3:33 pm

      But Thistleclaw is the one who taught him to put his anger into battle. He’s the one who taught him that violence and power are the only good things in life. Pinestar chose his heart and the path he wanted to go and he definitely did not intend for Tigerpaw to become evil, while Thistleclaw did.


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  4. Foxie Spring Butterflies
    April 14, 2018 at 2:27 am

    Awesome article! I think everyone hates Thistleclaw though honestly. I think he’s fine but I don’t love him. I haven’t even read Bluestar’s Prophecy yet haha so…..


    Faith it 'til you make it

  5. April 14, 2018 at 4:20 am

    Good article 😆! I agree with all your points 😸! If there’s no Thistleclaw, Tigerstar might not be evil. And that’s unreasonable of him to blame Bluestar about Snowfur’s death 😾. He deserves the Dark Forest.


    !!Running for senior warrior!!

    • Jayleap
      April 14, 2018 at 11:23 am

      There was an entire prophecy and I think the one of the Erins said nothing could have changed him being evil.

    • April 14, 2018 at 4:37 pm

      I was going to say the same thing! Thistleclaw is one of my least favorites. He also caused the death of an innocent kit (Mosskit, though I guess he didn’t know that would happen) and almost another (Scourge), though if you count Mistystar and Stonefur…
      Yeah I hate him. I might feel differently if I didn’t LOVE Bluestar like I do but… still. Hate him.

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  6. 🌷Cheetah Tumbling into Spring Meadow... uh... Sparkishly (Cheetahpaw/spark)🌷
    April 14, 2018 at 4:34 am

    I completely agree that he never should have gone to StarClan, but I think the Dark Forest is kinda harsh. I wish there was an “in between” place for the cats that don’t belong in either one go.


    Spidey4SW

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    • Sky
      April 14, 2018 at 3:26 pm

      Same! Like for Mapleshade….

      • April 14, 2018 at 7:03 pm

        Ohhhhh boy, I strongly disagree. How many cats did she kill in cold blood? I even lost track. The ways she did it were so gruesome and villainworthy. Yes, she didn’t deserve what happened to her but at that point she was unforgiving, cold, and completely insane. She lost herself when she was living so the Dark Forest is definitely where she belongs.


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    • April 14, 2018 at 7:01 pm

      (Spoilers for DN: There is :P)

      But he did kill a cat in cold blood. He had strong bloodlust and nothing would stop his ambition. I think he came off as “loyal” because he just liked to engage in battles which made it seem like he fiercely protected ThunderClan, but he really didn’t…


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  7. Sorrelpaw [Sorrelstream] aka Sorzi
    April 14, 2018 at 8:03 am

    Yes! Thistleclaw was definitely a bad kitty 🙁 Sometimes he seemed overprotective of Snowfur


    Sorzi (爱猫者)
    Not coincidence

  8. Sunpelt Who Has Ripped RoF From Amazon Box Jail And Devoured Its Contents (Sunpelt)
    April 14, 2018 at 1:06 pm

    I agree that Thistleclaw deserves DF, but I’m tired of people saying that Pinestar and Thistleclaw made Tigerstar become evil. Did Bramblestar become evil because Firestar mistrusted him and his father was chaotic evil? I didn’t think so. Parenting and role models shouldn’t force you to do things


    sun-warmed kitty fur 😺

    • April 14, 2018 at 7:05 pm

      I do hold Tigerstar responsible for his actions. But you can’t deny that Thistleclaw was the one who pushed him to be this way in the first place. Yes, he had a choice but can you really blame him as a young cat, for believing what an older, seemingly more respectable cat would say?


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  9. 🌟 Brighty Brightkit 🌟
    April 14, 2018 at 2:44 pm

    I most definitely agree with you, Purpleshade! I have always believed Thistleclaw belongs in the Dark Forest.

  10. April 14, 2018 at 3:29 pm

    I completely agree. That cat had no remorse in his heart and only wanted a battle-filled life. He dragged Tigerpaw into his tyranny which led to so many dramatic events.


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