Why Ashfur is NOT the father of Whitewing’s kits by Sunpelt

If you’ve been poking around on the theory articles lately, you could probably see me debunking a couple theories and maybe debating a bit. Now I’ve decided to do my own post on this topic, because I feel it can be considered relevant. I’ve seen some fan theories on this site about Ashfur fathering Dovewing and Ivypool, and while neither sides of the party can be sure, it’s pretty unlikely. I’ll be stating why. Needless to say, minor spoilers for PoT and OoTS, so be warned.

Counterclaim: Many people who write articles about this specific subject use the argument that Whitewing and Ashfur seem to be close and have a few moments in PoT (Sharing tongues, feeling sad about his death.) Also, they are not closely related (if I must draw the family tree Whitewing – Cloudtail – Firestar – Sandstorm – Brindleface – Ashfur) so it may seem plausible that they could be mates and have kits.
Rebuttal: It was imposed on us by Whitestorm in one of the first chapters of Into The Wild that sharing tongues was a tradition for the clans to share news of the day and to groom each other. While it is shown that some characters who later become mates are seen sharing tongues (such as Whitewing and BIRCHFALL) it wasn’t stated that sharing tongues wasn’t a guarantee that a cat becomes a mate. If I weren’t so lazy, I’d go back into the books to get some examples of cats who never turned out to be mates sharing tongues. I think you can take my word for it that it happens, unless you think all of those cats were secretly mates as well.
To address her feeling sad about Ashfur’s death, all of the clan was sad and confused. The toms in particular were upset and angry about it, especially Thornclaw who later leads the interrogation against Hollyleaf. That doesn’t mean Thornclaw and Ashfur were mates, so why should it mean that Whitewing was? Even if Whitewing seemed particularly stricken, it probably was due to the friendship they had of being mentors at the same time, with Ashfur helping her out.

Why would they say Birchfall was the father if he wasn’t?

This is the largest piece of evidence that Ashfur wasn’t the father. There are some clan relationships where a character or multiple characters act as a mother and father for cats they didn’t raise, such as Thrushpelt, and Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight. And may I also note that that was caused by half-Clan relationships? Respectively Bluefur and Oakheart, and Leafpool and Crowfeather. So why would Whitewing lie about Ashfur being the father? And if Birchfall knew he wasn’t, why would he pretend he was? At the time, they were both completely unaware of the emotional conflict Ashfur had at the end of Long Shadows, so there would be no reason for Whitewing to feel compelled to hide her kits’ true parentage. People who support AshXWhite might think that it would be to protect Birchfall from knowing the truth, but when cats say things like “Oh, Ivypool and Dovewing are Birchfall and Whitewing’s kits,” You’d think there’d be an accompanying sentence like “Whitewing stiffened.” Because that’s similar to what happens with the revelation that Leafpool mothered The Three (Two) instead of Squirrelflight. There would be hints added in that Whitewing would act slightly strange when she receives compliments about her kits. I feel like there would be at least some kind of hint, some kind of inclination if there were a plotline about this the Erins would want to pursue in the future.
There’s not much need to address the pelt colors, Dovewing and Ivypool probably got the gray from Ferncloud, their grandmother, assuming that Birchfall was actually the father. And if it was Ashfur, they would have probably have specks of gray instead of it spreading across their whole body.
Either way, we’ll never know for sure because the Erins left out the actual details of their conception (which I’m sure I’m not the only one that’s grateful.) That’s just my opinion.
-Stay tuned for future articles! Sunpelt

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Aster is Meowing for Chinese New Year!!! (Asterstorm/ Meowing Aster/ Astie)
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June 4, 2018 9:32 am

I agree with you 😸! Ashfur had “loved” Squirrelflight so much (though I don’t ship them 😛), so I don’t believe that he could be mates with Whitewing secretly.


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𝕃𝕚𝕝𝕪𝕝𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥 (𝕃𝕚𝕝𝕪) 𝕃𝕚𝕝𝕪 𝕋𝕙𝕒𝕥 𝔽𝕒𝕝𝕝𝕤 𝔸𝕝𝕠𝕟𝕘 𝕎𝕚𝕥𝕙 𝔹𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥 𝔸𝕦𝕥𝕦𝕞𝕟 𝕃𝕖𝕒𝕧𝕖𝕤
𝕃𝕚𝕝𝕪𝕝𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥 (𝕃𝕚𝕝𝕪) 𝕃𝕚𝕝𝕪 𝕋𝕙𝕒𝕥 𝔽𝕒𝕝𝕝𝕤 𝔸𝕝𝕠𝕟𝕘 𝕎𝕚𝕥𝕙 𝔹𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥 𝔸𝕦𝕥𝕦𝕞𝕟 𝕃𝕖𝕒𝕧𝕖𝕤
November 16, 2018 9:19 pm

I ship Whitewing and Ashfur. I wish that they would have really been mates. I DO NOT ship Ashfur and Squirrelflight. Uggh!


ɪ ᴀᴍ ɴᴏᴡ ʟɪʟʏ, ɴᴏᴛ ꜱᴘᴏᴛꜱʏ!

firestar-11
firestar-11
May 8, 2020 9:17 pm

Yeah you are definitely right, and I don’t ship them either, like who does?!

Stormberry The Jedi Cat
Stormberry The Jedi Cat
June 4, 2018 12:12 pm

Nice article! I personally never thought Ashfur was the father because he was so Squirrelflight-crazy

Bluevelociraptor
Bluevelociraptor
June 4, 2018 2:08 pm

AMAZING ARTICLE!!! I’ve been too lazy to write my own about this subject 😛

But if you remember, Whitewing’s father, Cloudtail, was the adopted brother of Ashfur and Ferncloud. So he’d be like her uncle, so there’s no reason why they shouldn’t be close. But they weren’t mates.


Cheetahspark
Cheetahspark
June 4, 2018 2:25 pm

Great article! 😀 I never really believed this theory. You had really good points!

Sunpelt Is Worried
Sunpelt Is Worried
June 4, 2018 9:18 pm
Reply to  Cheetahspark

I guess some people had, and it almost would have been interesting to me to see that dynamic. But it would seem repetitive after the Squirrelflight confession. Thanks for the positive reception guys! :3


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🌈owlfeather-owly🌈
🌈owlfeather-owly🌈
June 5, 2018 3:44 am

Nice article! I agree 🙂


thats not very plus ultra of u

🌟 Brighty Brightkit 🌟
🌟 Brighty Brightkit 🌟
June 5, 2018 2:16 pm

Amazing job, Sunpelt! You have good points and plausible evidence. I agree with you–I have always thought that White x Ash couldn’t possibly be true and it didn’t make a whole lot of sense that people would ship them.

Sky
Sky
June 5, 2018 3:46 pm

I TOTALLY AGREE. In fact, I could say that Whitewing must have been particularly stricken because Ashfur was like her uncle.

𝕃𝕚𝕝𝕪𝕝𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥 (𝕃𝕚𝕝𝕪) 𝕃𝕚𝕝𝕪 𝕋𝕙𝕒𝕥 𝔽𝕒𝕝𝕝𝕤 𝔸𝕝𝕠𝕟𝕘 𝕎𝕚𝕥𝕙 𝔹𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥 𝔸𝕦𝕥𝕦𝕞𝕟 𝕃𝕖𝕒𝕧𝕖𝕤
𝕃𝕚𝕝𝕪𝕝𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥 (𝕃𝕚𝕝𝕪) 𝕃𝕚𝕝𝕪 𝕋𝕙𝕒𝕥 𝔽𝕒𝕝𝕝𝕤 𝔸𝕝𝕠𝕟𝕘 𝕎𝕚𝕥𝕙 𝔹𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥 𝔸𝕦𝕥𝕦𝕞𝕟 𝕃𝕖𝕒𝕧𝕖𝕤
November 16, 2018 9:23 pm

I agree, I just wish he was the father. It doesn’t make sense that Dovewing and Ivypool had such an unimportant pair of parents. Ashfur would have spruced things up.


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Tumbleleaf
Tumbleleaf
April 4, 2020 2:08 am

I totally agree! Go Warriors!


Turtle, the Millie and MillieXGray hater.
Turtle, the Millie and MillieXGray hater.
July 21, 2020 9:14 pm

I agree, I don’t think Ashfur is Ivypool and Dovewing’s dad.
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