Who Should Own Sunningrocks? by Creekdapple

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Creekdapple wonders who should’ve owned the Sunningrocks.

When the Clans were forced to leave the forest, the conflict over Sunningrocks was finally over. This is a good thing, of course, as it put an end to the otherwise endless cycle of conflict and bloodshed for both Clans that claimed the rocks, but it does leave an important question unanswered: who should Sunningrocks belong to anyway? Personally, I’m on team RiverClan. Here’s why.

The most common arguments for ThunderClan’s claim to Sunningrocks are that
1. StarClan changed the course of the river so that Sunningrocks was on ThunderClan’s side, so they must have wanted Sunningrocks to be ThunderClan territory,
and
2. ThunderClan can get more use out of the rocks, because they use them to hunt while RiverClan just uses them to bask. There are other places on RiverClan territory where cats can easily bask in the sun.
I’m very sorry if I’m strawmanning either of these, or if there are other arguments on the ThunderClan side that I’m unaware of. Please feel free to let me know if I got anything wrong or if there’s something you’d like to add to the arguments for ThunderClan owning Sunningrocks.

Assuming these are accurate representations of the main arguments for ThunderClan, I’ll try to refute them and explain why I think Sunningrocks should belong to RiverClan, or at least why RiverClan should be the ones deciding what to do with them.
Counterargument 1: Sunningrocks was on RiverClan’s side, undisputedly their territory, until a flood came and changed the river’s course so that there was nothing between the rocks and ThunderClan territory. However, that doesn’t mean that they’re on ThunderClan territory; Clan borders may be created based around a certain landmark, but they don’t change just because said landmark changes its position. There’s a much stronger case on ThunderClan’s side when we bring in the argument that StarClan intentionally changed the course of the river, but we can’t know for sure that the flood was StarClan’s doing, and I find it hard to believe that they would use something as destructive as a flood to take a part of RiverClan’s territory away and give it to ThunderClan, especially when they didn’t even warn RiverClan first. And even if they for some reason did, that still doesn’t make it justified, and ThunderClan is not entitled to RiverClan land simply because StarClan, without RiverClan’s permission, decided that they were. Sunningrocks was originally RiverClan territory, and they never gave up their claim to it.

Counterargument 2: I respect the argument that ThunderClan has more use for Sunningrocks than RiverClan does, and I somewhat agree. However, if it can be said that RiverClan has plenty of other rocks for basking, then it can also be said that ThunderClan has plenty of other spots for hunting. In reality, Sunningrocks wouldn’t provide much of an advantage for ThunderClan, as they’re a small group of mostly-barren rocks in a large, lush forest territory, and, while they do provide hiding spaces for prey, so do more vegetated areas which also provide food sources for ThunderClan prey. Yes, ThunderClan does have a slight territorial advantage with Sunningrocks, but that doesn’t give them the right to take them from RiverClan. Unless we accept that the flood was a mandate from StarClan, this is hardly any different from, say, ShadowClan invading ThunderClan and claiming a little-used piece of their land because it gave them an advantage over their current territorial claims. Again, I say: Sunningrocks was originally RiverClan territory, and they never rightfully gave up their claim to it.

What do you think? In the forest territories, should Sunningrocks have belonged to RiverClan or ThunderClan?

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Wishpaw(whisper)
Wishpaw(whisper)
January 14, 2019 3:15 pm

I agree. Also, on the thing where Thunderclan can find prey there, so can Riverclan. It is right by the river, so it provides an ideal spot to fish. This also means if Thunderclan had it, they might try to fish, perhaps even harming (or even killing) themselves by drowning.

Sky
Sky
January 14, 2019 3:32 pm

One word: Agreed. 😛

𝕃𝕚𝕝𝕪𝕝𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥 (𝕃𝕚𝕝𝕪) 𝕃𝕚𝕝𝕪 𝕋𝕙𝕒𝕥 𝔽𝕒𝕝𝕝𝕤 𝔸𝕝𝕠𝕟𝕘 𝕎𝕚𝕥𝕙 𝔹𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥 𝔸𝕦𝕥𝕦𝕞𝕟 𝕃𝕖𝕒𝕧𝕖𝕤
𝕃𝕚𝕝𝕪𝕝𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥 (𝕃𝕚𝕝𝕪) 𝕃𝕚𝕝𝕪 𝕋𝕙𝕒𝕥 𝔽𝕒𝕝𝕝𝕤 𝔸𝕝𝕠𝕟𝕘 𝕎𝕚𝕥𝕙 𝔹𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥 𝔸𝕦𝕥𝕦𝕞𝕟 𝕃𝕖𝕒𝕧𝕖𝕤
January 14, 2019 5:42 pm

Yes, I agree also!

Wolfpaw (Wolfie)
Wolfpaw (Wolfie)
January 14, 2019 7:59 pm

I agree, Riverclan deserves Sunningrocks more then Thunderclan.

Bramblefire
Bramblefire
January 14, 2019 9:01 pm

All I can say is that the Twolegs own them now rip.

A very artsy Cloudy 🎨
A very artsy Cloudy 🎨
January 14, 2019 9:24 pm

I agree ^^

Ashes of Burnt Ivy [xe/xem/xyr]
Ashes of Burnt Ivy [xe/xem/xyr]
January 14, 2019 9:26 pm

Oof, I completely disagree but I’m in school right now so I can’t be bothered to type why ThunderClan deserves the rocks instead. 😛

NeonCandyKat
NeonCandyKat
January 14, 2019 11:44 pm

I totally agree!

Brightpaw (pool)
Brightpaw (pool)
January 15, 2019 12:26 am

Great points! If only the old ThunderClan could read this 😛

Star That Falls Through Navy Sky * Muffinfern * Navy
Star That Falls Through Navy Sky * Muffinfern * Navy
January 15, 2019 7:37 am

Riverclan just wanted it to sit on it…

And then nobody gets the moonkitti reference rip

Echowing
Echowing
January 16, 2019 12:39 pm

I’ve always agreed that if one clan would keep Sunningrocks, it’d be RiverClan. But I’ve also thought “why don’t they just make it a unused piece of land? Then they could share it and nobody else would die in battles.” But then they moved territory and it didn’t matter anymore. If the battles didn’t happen, perhaps it could’ve took Tigerclaw longer to kill Redtail. Anyways, 100% agreed!

Willowbrook (aka puppup09/9) (aka bramblefur)
Willowbrook (aka puppup09/9) (aka bramblefur)
January 16, 2019 3:13 pm

As a person with a riverclan oc, I agree with this.
But I have a better solution, involving my oc’s. (It takes place in a universe where they never left the forest, becouse twolegs never tried to build a rode over it.)
Willowstar (rc, main oc): eaglestar? Can we just share sunning rocks? To much blood has been shed over a pile of rocks.
Eaglestar (willowstar’s father, yes she is halfclan): yeh, ok. It will be a spot of truce.
Willowstar (after eaglestar died): hey, um oakstar? Can we still keep sunning rocks as a truce area?
Oakstar (leader after both eaglestar and the deputy, birchfall, died): *considers for a moment, wanting more battles, but respects/loves willowstar to much to dissagree with her* f-fine!

Moondapple
Moondapple
January 24, 2019 9:31 pm

sunningrocks belongs to bloodclan

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