Which sister rules? Dovewing or Ivypool? by Lightningleaf

Lightningleaf shares their opinion on the notable pair of sisters, Dovewing and Ivypool.

Art by blazedestroyed

Everyone knows that Dovewing and Ivypool were as close as hairs on a vole’s pelt in the first books of Omen Of The Stars. But soon after, the two sisters became seperate. Which sister rules Warrior Cats? Well, here’s my opinion.
WARNING If you are a Dovewing lover, read on at your own cost.
1. Positive traits about both sisters

Dovewing was, the third cat in the three. And, she has all these superpowers, but she didn’t use them to do anything evil unlike Tigerstar. She cared for the fate of all four Clans and did try to save them.

Ivypool was never noticed as much as Dovewing, but as far as I saw she didn’t complain that much. Ivypool is also calmer than Dovewing, and Ivypool didn’t panic when anything really bad happened to her, unlike Dovewing did when she traveled into the mountains. Ivypool also has bravery. She did, after all, risk her life in the Dark Forest and was enssieecial(How do you spell that?) to all of the Clans.
2. Negative traits about both sisters

Dovewing is the person who complains when everyone else dosn’t; she complained to Jayfeather in the mountains. She complained when Tigerheart told her he was going to stay in ShadowClan, and she also complained when in the city Tigerheart suggested that they go back to ShadowClan.

Ivypool is sort of jealeous, if you see her that way. She was really unnoticed compared to Dovewing, and the actual reason she trained in the Dark Forest was because she was, um, jealous of Dovewing’s powers and wanted something of her own to compare to Dovewing’s superpowers. Also, in case you are a Dovewing lover, I added this part. In order to @-Willowcreek- on Scratch, Ivypool only spied in the Dark Forest because she was afraid of the Dark Forest Cats before Jayfeather and Lionblaze recruited her.
So, this is my whole opinion. I really don’t know what you will think of this, but I think Dovewing lovers probably won’t like this, while Ivypool lovers…. That’s a different matter. And what’s your opinion? Dovewing or Ivypool?

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  1. June 9, 2019 at 1:13 am

    Alright, here’s my defense article of Dovewing having powers:

    Dovewing: The True Prophecy Cat? by Marrowfrost

    Dovewing is my favorite character in the Warriors series. I love Dovewing because of her compassion and kind nature towards the other Clans. Such as after the journey to unclog the beaver dam, Dovewing found herself worrying about the cats she went on the journey with. One scene I remember is when Dovewing goes to WindClan in secret to check on Sedgewhisker (I don’t remember what happened to her though) and drags Ivypool along. Even though I get how foolish and immature this is, it really shows that Dovewing has always had a place in her heart for other cats, even if they’re in other Clans. She often looks past the borders and sees the cats on the inside, and tries to see the good in them. I think this is also another reason as to why she fell in love with Tigerheart/star as well, as she seems to try to find what’s on the inside of a cat. She’s also very caring towards cats that often don’t deserve her care at times. Such as Ivypool, for instance. Ivypool was really horrible and rude to Dovewing in OotS and even carrying on into AVoS, and yet Dovewing still cares for Ivypool. Dovewing tries to connect with her sister, despite Ivypool pushing away her every attempt until it’s too late. She does the same with Tigerheart/star in Tigerheart’s Shadow. This shows that Dovewing cares too much about cats, and will keep going until they realize just how much she truly cares. Another thing is how she pushes through her trials in life ands still manages to keep going. For example, she had to deal with having no support from Ivypool, Jayfeather, or Lionblaze because of the prophecy. So much was expected of her, put on her shoulders, and she was so young at the same time. And then again, at the same time barely anything was expected out of her by older cats and so little of her was expected at the same time by others. Yet she pushes through and manages to get through even the darkest of days because of her will-power, no matter how small it may seem to her or us, the readers. Another reason why I lovewing Dovewing is because of how much I can relate to her. NOTE: I mean, get Ivypool’s self-esteem but I can’t really relate to her’s in specific, just for clarification 🙂

    Now, I can relate to Dovewing because of the reasons above, but there’s another side that I’d also like to touch here for a moment…Dovewing never really had friends in ThunderClan, did she? Sure, she talked with a few cats every so often, but that was it…she never seemed to be happy in her Clan, and struggled to stay so. She was constantly told that if she didn’t do her duty right being the third cat, it would basically be her fault for losing lives of many, many cats. Her powers were something she had to rely on, and then they’re suddenly taken away from her, and she feels pretty much helpless and worthless to her Clan after that. Along with the pressure that Bumblestripe placed on her, I’m not surprised why she moved to ShadowClan. Dovewing took the action into her own paws to get away from ThunderClan and move to ShadowClan since living there was making her that unhappy. Dovewing’s much better off in ShadowClan for the most part, since she’s with her loving mate, has kits, and has a possibility to start anew in ShadowClan and make close bonds/friendships with her new Clanmates. As long as Dovewing’s much better off, it’s a relief for me because I don’t know about you, but I didn’t want her to stay in ThunderClan if it made her unhappy 🙁 I would’ve been fine with her becoming a kittypet if it was for the best and made her content. I can honestly relate to Dovewing in so many ways, which is why you see in my signature, “Two Words: Lovewing Dovewing” because I always will love her. But I also relate a lot to Twigbranch, Violetshine, and Nightcloud, don’t get me wrong. I just relate to Dovewing the most.
    – Favorite Characters article

    And now, here’s what you all have been dreading expecting from your resident Ivypool hater…

    f you’ve seen me around BlogClan and seen my posts, then you’d eventually get the fact that I hate Ivypool. Yes, that dislike has turned into hate now. Why? First off, Ivypool’s overly rude to Dovewing in OotS/AVoS and is cold and spiteful to other cats as well. Most of her character revolves around being angry at Dovewing for something Dovewing can’t control at all. Just think about it. Every situation she’s in during OotS is about her being angry with Dovewing. First she’s jealous of Dovewing because Dovewing’s getting more attention than her. Then she joins the Dark Forest because she’s jealous of Dovewing. Then she gets in a fight with Dovewing because Dovewing likes Tigerheart and Ivypool hates that. Then she gets kitnapped because she followed Dovewing out of camp (Which is her own fault in the first place!). Then in AVoS, she doesn’t want Twigbranch to go find SkyClan because she doesn’t want Dovewing and Tigerheart going together. The list goes on and on… This makes Ivypool come off as a control freak. It’s like Dovewing has to meet these certain standards, otherwise Ivypool just can’t accept Dovewing for who she is. Yes, Dovewing broke the code but really, Ivypool was overly rude to Dovewing about everything. Once Dovewing and Tigerheart stopped meeting, Ivypool didn’t go “oh thank StarClan my sister won’t be hurt and tired everyday”, she was bragging about how right she was and hurting Dovewing in the process. Ivypool doesn’t seem to care one bit how Dovewing feels, everything has to be exactly how Ivypool wants it. During their separation of each other, at least Dovewing tried. Ivypool pushed Dovewing away, and was basically dooming herself from the start In Tigerheart’s Shadow, Dovewing was going to leave ThunderClan with her unborn kits and Ivypool basically says “I’ll only talk to my sister if you and her break up”. So Ivypool would rather her sister leave ThunderClan because Dovewing and Tigerheart are still together? Her entire logic is messed up right there. And her spying? No- that wasn’t even good ‘spying’ if you want to consider it that. Ivypool avoided giving away information to Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Dovewing when she was supposed to. Yes, Ivypool was pretty much forced to do it but she also agreed to it as well. She broke her promise to spy, and didn’t say anything until either The Forgotten Warrior or The Last Hope, I forgot which. This means that she had all these chances to help with the battle and actually prove she was spying and help save the Clans, but instead she decided that her own personal opinions/bias was waaaaaaaaaay more important than the lives of many cats. Ivypool’s always wanted to be special, but once she has a fate changing role to play she backs out of it? Now that’s what I call cowardly. Sure, Ivypool had to face the nightmares of the Dark Forest each night but so did other cats. Ivypool was never a good spy in the first place. She wasn’t a good sister either. But even then, she wasn’t the only spy. Tigerheart was spying too, so he probably could’ve given Dovewing information once they trusted each other enough with their secrets. We don’t know what could’ve happened, because Ivypool thinks of her opinions to be above everyone else’s and forces them on Dovewing. And Ivypool spying wasn’t even needed! Dovewing herself could’ve spied in what goes on in the Dark Forest in the afterlife! So Ivypool didn’t really play a vital role in the Clan’s survival either.

    Ivypool did not spy at all. If she was spying, she would’ve given the information to the Three before The Last Hope. When did she agree to this job? In Night Whispers. Meaning, all the information she had received during Sign of the Moon and The Forgotten Warrior would’ve been useful to know beforehand, meaning less cats would die because of her foolishness. And the DF cats weren’t watching her at every single moment- if they were then they would’ve killed her for agreeing to spy in the first place. And if we want to get more technical, they would’ve killed the Three so that way they wouldn’t ruin their plans! Ivypool wasn’t a good spy, neither did she actually spy. She might’ve had a good and loyal heart, but actions often speak louder than your thoughts/feelings/words. Ivypool was downright terrible to Dovewing, and she was not a good sister. Trying to control and change someone because they don’t meet your standards is inexcusable and disgusting. In Tigerheart’s Shadow, she refuses to go help her pregnant sister who is planning on leaving ThunderClan because Dovewing’s still with Tigerheart. When Dovewing leaves and Tigerheart talks to Ivypool, she legit claws at him while she knows he’s upset over this. She said some horrible things to him in that book. Ivypool isn’t a good person; she’s a complete jerk who needed a slap of reality that Dovewing is her own person and she can’t control/change that. Luckily in TRS she got that slap in the face (metaphorically of course, although I wouldn’t have minded it being literal) and realized, “Oh, my sister wants to be HAPPY for once and I’m being a jerk by trying to control her!” I reread OotS, and to me Ivypool’s behavior towards Dovewing seems like emotional/verbal abuse. Feel free to disagree with me, but manipulating Dovewing was awful of her and Dovewing felt like she had to change herself so Ivypool would want to be her sister again. Ivypool is a downright disgusting and vile cat in OotS/AVoS, and nothing changes my mind on that one. (She’s also just a cardboard character; jealousy of a sibling is something that makes people love a character and honestly, Ivypool wasn’t done that well.)

    Ivypool agreed to spying, yes, but she never did her job and spilled the beans until she was forced to. Again, A JOB SHE AGREED TO DO. She’s still a jerk afterwards OotS, and doesn’t realize that she was being stupid about Dovewing until TRS. TWO ARCS. BASICALLY HER ENTIRE LIFE. I like IvyFern, but Ivypool’s still a jerk that actually needs to prove she isn’t a jerk onscreen for once.

    [Kate edit: Please free to debate this with Hazelholly. They have such strong opinions, I’m sure they’d enjoy hearing yours!]


    Oof

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  2. Pastelpaw🌸Pasty
    June 9, 2019 at 2:52 am

    Team Ivypool!!


    And that’s the tea.

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  3. Silverlight - signed out
    June 9, 2019 at 4:59 am

    Another problem with Dovewing: her ever-changing eye colour. Seriously, it’s rainbow coloured at this point! :/

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  4. June 9, 2019 at 6:10 am

    TEAM IVYPOOL FOR LIFE!!!


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  5. June 9, 2019 at 3:35 pm

    These are always the main points… But yet…

    What if they were switched??

    What if Ivypool had the powers, and Dovewing was in the dark forest…

    I wonder what would’ve happened then 😛 Would people still love them the same, or switch sides. If y’know what I mean 😛


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    • June 9, 2019 at 11:29 pm

      I bet people would’ve hated Ivypool even more than the hate on Dovewing since Ivypool would’ve been a jerk about it, most likely and probably still would’ve gone to the DF to “improve her powers” and just be a jerk in general to everyone, but even moreso than in canon

      I doubt the DF would want a tiny jellybean like Dovewing anyways, since she would be not jealous of Ivypool and would be supportive of her 😛


      Oof

      • June 10, 2019 at 12:27 am

        Not exactly. The way you act honestly depends on how you grew up, what happens in your life, and how you’re treated. This is a theory I’ve been thinking about ever since I learned that one of my great grandmas had Alzheimers and was suddenly extremely nice after losing her memory, when she had been horrible when she remembered her life. It’s sort of proof that the way you are and how nice or mean you are comes from your background.

        I don’t know whether or not Ivypool would’ve been a jerk or not. She may not have joined the Dark Forest. But she may have. Dovewing’s emotions may have differed depending if Ivypool had had powers. The Dark Forest may have tried to persuade her and give her those emotions. Or they would have left her alone. Both could have joined the Dark Forest, both may have not. One might’ve, one might’ve not.

        I just think it’d be interesting to see what exactly would have happened if they’d been switched. Would people love/hate them the same, or would their opinions change after they see how one reacts to another circumstance? It’s something I’ve always wondered 😛

        You feel very strongly about your opinions, I’m not trying to sway them. I personally like both the sisters and don’t understand why you have to love one and hate the other 😛 I’m just thinking out loud 😛 I should probably think in my head, but if I did, I would probably implode 😛

        Btw, “tiny jellybean” is the most adorable thing I’ve ever heard 😛

        (also, I apologize in advance if any of this comment sounded rude. I have a knack for offending people like that when I honestly don’t mean to sound rude. I think it’s just the way I type? Idk 😛 )


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        • June 10, 2019 at 1:05 am

          Oof, I do see your point but honestly I feel like that would probably happen, if not people still preferring Ivypool because she’s a “strong female protagonist” 😛

          I would read AU fics on what might’ve happened if the situations were switched, but honestly some of them from what I’ve seen tend to push their bias on the characters despite it being an AU, so 😛


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          • June 10, 2019 at 2:41 pm

            Yeah 😛 I personally love both the characters. 😛 I don’t see why there’s such a big debate over which is better 😛 Idk, sibling rivalry or something like that???? 😛

            Yeah, people tend to do that. 😛


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            • June 10, 2019 at 3:35 pm

              Idk, I used to like Ivypool but now I just really don’t like her and prefer Dovewing, though my liking of Dovewing hasn’t really changed that much since last year so I guess people just change their minds over time too 😛


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              • June 10, 2019 at 5:48 pm

                Yeah 😛 Like, Lionblaze and Dovewing used to annoy me slightly, but now I realized that there’s nothing bad about them, and I like them 😛 Also, Tigerheart’s Shadow helped me really like Dovewing 😛 I relate more to Ivypool, so I think I felt a stronger connection to her. But I like both of them a lot actually.

                I change my mind about everything every day of my life soooo… 😛


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  6. Creekdapple
    June 10, 2019 at 5:37 pm

    Good points. I don’t really have much of an opinion on which sister is superior, although I would add that Ivypool did sort of complain about Dovewing being more special and looked-up-to than her.

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  7. Honeypaw/cloud (Honey that reflects summer clouds)
    June 10, 2019 at 7:33 pm

    Personally, I prefer Ivypool, but I can see why Dovewing is great!

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  8. Butterflyflower
    June 10, 2019 at 11:45 pm

    Tbh, I don’t really see how this would really be offensive to Dovewing lovers. 😛 I like how you talked about the good things and bad things about each of them, and I might agree with some of it and disagree with some of it. My personal opinion is that I love both of them, but I just prefer Dovewing, and she’s one of my top favorite characters. 🙂

  9. June 12, 2019 at 5:59 pm

    Ivypool was and still is my favorite character of all time; I really admire her because of her upfront and speak-my-mind attitude, which is something I don’t really have in real life. Maybe that’s why I like her so much? Sure, Dovewing has a very sweet and understanding personality, but I’ve always been drawn to characters that I can relate to more, in this case, Ivypool.


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