Why IvyXHawk is my Least Favorite Ship by Pinestripe

Pinestripe shares their opinion on Ivypool and Hawkfrost’s relationship.

Art by Vialir

IvypoolXHawkfrost is my least favorite ship.
In this article I will explain why I dislike it and why I think it’s bad.
Warning: I will be talking about abusive relationships.

I’ve never understood why people ship Ivypool with Hawkfrost. There are so many things in this ship that are uncomfortable and just negative.
First of all, nothing romantic was ever implied.
What’s more, their relationship in the books wasn’t even positive!
It may have seemed to Ivypool at first that it was a positive relationship, but in reality Hawkfrost was only acting nice towards her to gain her trust and Ivypool eventually figured this out and wisely turned against him.
“You murderer! Liar! Betrayer!” -Ivypool to Hawkfrost in The Last Hope
He was manipulating her! Hawkfrost was using Ivypool for his benefit- that’s not even a friendship!
Hawkfrost was also much older than Ivypool and began manipulating her while she was still an apprentice. He took advantage of her and is not to be trusted.

What I hate most about this ship is that if it were a romantic relationship it would be very, very toxic.
Hawkfrost lied to Ivypool, tricked her, and used her. He manipulated her and that shows me that it’s not and could never be a healthy relationship. In fact, it’s extremely unhealthy.
This relationship would be abusive, and Ivypool doesn’t deserve that. She doesn’t deserve to be abused.
No one deserves to be manipulated or abused.

If that wasn’t enough evidence to convince you that IvyXHawk is toxic, Hawkfrost actually tried to murder Ivypool!
“Do you really think you’d live after betraying me?”
“Let’s make her death slow.”
These quotes are what Hawkfrost said about killing Ivypool. He is dangerous and she should not trust him!

The IvyXHawk ship is just… NO.
I’m glad this ship never happened, and that Ivypool managed to get out of the abusive mentor-apprentice relationship with Hawkfrost.
She is 100% better off with Fernsong- a cat who is caring and kind towards her, actually loves her and DOESN’T manipulate her.
IvyXFern is, unlike IvyXHawk, a perfect example of a healthy relationship, and that’s what Ivypool -and everyone- should pursue.

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  • Turtlepaw🐢🐢🐢(They/Them, Xe/Xem, Tey/Tem, Ae/Aem, Ot/Ots, Mae/Mim, Sae/Sear, Je/Jem, He/Him, Se/Hem, Ke/Kem, Re/Rem) says:

    IvyXHawk is a terrible ship!
    Ivypool and Hawkfrost are both interesting characters, but I would never ever ship them!
    Guns And Ships

  • Wise words Pine🌲! Ivy x Hawk is not capable of real romantic development, because there never was any romance at all! Hawkfrost’s aggression to Ivy wasn’t cool. I personally ship Ivy x Blossom but I love Fern x Ivy too.

    • By what she just said, that would mean that Firey x Leafy would be a bad ship too, because (Spoilers for BFDI) Leafy stole Dream Island in the same exact way Hawkfrost betrayed Ivypool, and with Firey x Leafy, it took, like 6 years for them to apologize in Post-Split BFB. Hawkfrost never got the chance to apologize since he was trapped in the Void after dying again.

      In Battle For Dream Island Again, Leafy was a dangerous sociopath who tried to kill anyone who dared to insult her. Firey completely ignored her, further compounding the relationship between them. And boy, let’s not go into Match & Pencil & Bubble in Pre-split BFB!

  • I like Fernsong but not really the FernxIvy ship, because their relationship was never really in-depth. In one series she didn’t have a mate or a crush, and then in the next series Fernsong was talking to her about having kits! I honestly think Ivypool would just be better off alone, but I don’t hate the ship, it just didn’t seem very developed and made my favorite character fade into the background

    • Turtlepaw🐢🐢🐢(They/Them, Xe/Xem, Tey/Tem, Ae/Aem, Ot/Ots, Mae/Mim, Sae/Sear, Je/Jem, He/Him, Se/Hem, Ke/Kem, Re/Rem) says:

      Actually, Fernsong and Ivypool’s relationship had a lot of development.
      They were shown talking/flirting with each other a lot through out A Vision Of Shadows, especially in Thunder And Shadow. Their relationship had plenty of development before they even started considering kits.
      Guns And Ships

  • Great article! Although I ship them- but I definitely see all the wrongs in it. I love both cats and the only reason i sjip them is because i like to think that Hawkfrost is alot younger, amd that he was only told to bring cats to the df and although he was manipulitive he still liked Ivypool. That’s only what i think though💜 Again, great article!

  • Yes! IvyHawk is horrible! Hawkfrost manipulated her, forced her to kill others against her will just to gain his trust! Though slightly underdeveloped, IvyFern is a much healthier relationship.

  • I don’t like IvyXHawk OR IvyXFern. Wanna know why? Okay! I’ll tell you. We already know why IvyXHawk is NOT a good ship because of Piney’s beautiful article up there! Okay, so basically, Ivypool had no time for her kits. She was always doing stuff, and i read that Fernsong was the first “male queen” That means that Ivypool was actually getting Fernsong to do something that she basically was supposed to be doing.* So yeah. I don’t know a whole lot because I haven’t read the series when all of the IvyXFern drama was happening.

    *I personally think the queens shouldn’t HAVE to take care of their kits for six moons like that. The males should help out too. Females are just as strong as males are.

    • oohh that’s a good point,, i’ve never really thought abt whether or not ivypool helped raise them after her kits were weaned

    • Turtlepaw🐢🐢🐢(They/Them, Xe/Xem, Tey/Tem, Ae/Aem, Ot/Ots, Mae/Mim, Sae/Sear, Je/Jem, He/Him, Se/Hem, Ke/Kem, Re/Rem) says:

      Actually, Ivypool never ‘made’ Fernsong take care of her kits.
      Fernsong was actually the one who volunteered in the first place, and Ivypool happily agreed. 🙂
      Guns And Ships

  • THANK you! i never understood why people ship ivy+hawk. Its a stupid ship. no romance was ever in the books and Ivypool hated hawkfrost. Ivypool deserved someone like Fernsong who loved her so much he was willing to wait for kits, or even stay in the nursery with them so Ivypool doesnt have to. Ivypool is my favorite character and she deserves a healthy relationship

  • I completely agree except the “Fernsong is better” it’s just- age difference, blah. It’s like Blossomfall and Thornclaw, Blossom is only like, 57 moons and Thorn is 155 moons! But, it’s better then Ivyhawk, that’s just abusive disgusting and another level of pure bleh🤢