Ivypool and Dovewing – Who Is Better? by Mousefur

Mousefur shares their opinion on the ThunderClan sisters, Dovewing and Ivypool.

Art by LttleGhost

Ah, the Ivypool and Dovewing argument, a tale as old as time. Fans say that Ivypool is better, no wait- Dovewing is better! Ivypool! Dovewing! Well, I wanted to give my own take on it and what I think of both she-cats. Warning: There will be spoilers. Let’s begin.


Let’s start with Ivypool. A lot of people say that she spied in the Dark Forest, and I agree that that is a pretty good thing she did. However, Ivypool did it out of jealousy. She also showed signs of being jealous of Dovewing, even before knowing her sister had powers. Here’s an excerpt from 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘍𝘰𝘳𝘵𝘩 𝘈𝘱𝘱𝘳𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘤𝘦.

“It’s not because Firestar likes me better, or anything,” Dovepaw reassured her sister. Jayfeather heard her pad over to Ivypaw and try to give her ear a comforting lick, but Ivypaw jerked away from her. “It’s just that I was the first cat to think about something blocking the stream.” Jayfeather felt guilt flowing over her as she remembered that she was keeping her special senses, and everything she knew about the prophecy, a secret from her sister. Ivypool distanced herself from her sister out of jealousy, despite Dovewing not having control over the prophecy. She also disapproves of Dovewing leaving to go with Tigerstar 2 in Shadowclan, which is unreasonable. Dovewing shouldn’t stay in Thunderclan just so that Ivypool won’t be mad.


Next we have Dovewing. Some common reasons Dovewing is disliked are:

• She’s a Mary Sue
• She replaced Hollyleaf
• She left Thunderclan and went to Shadowclan
• She didn’t treat Bumblestripe well

Let’s tackle the Mary Sue claim first. According to Urban Dictionary, a Mary Sue is a character that is 100% perfect, and has absolutely no flaws. When looking at Dovewing, is it fair to say that she is a Mary Sue? Here’s the thing: Dovewing does not get everything she wants. Mary Sues solve everything, have everything, and get everything, and Dovewing simply does not fit the bill. She can’t tell anyone but Lionblaze and Jayfeather about the prophecy, even though she wants to (see exerpt above). Dovewing has no control over her powers, and when she loses them, she feels powerless.

Secondly, she replaced Hollyleaf. First of all, Hollyleaf never had a power, so she could never be the third cat. Hollyleaf not having powers as an intentional plot twist. She also couldn’t be a Hollyleaf replacement, due to not being as close to Jayfeather and Lionblaze, or having a similar personality.

Thirdly, we have how she switched clans. Dovewing switched clans to be with Tigerstar 2. That was the best choice she could have made. Tigerstar 2 was her mate, and she had his kits. Dovewing wouldn’t have kits with the Shadowclan tom and not let him raise them. Some may say that she abandoned Ivypool, but Ivypool is an adult. She doesn’t need Dovewing, and has her own things to deal with. Bramblestar didn’t have a problem with Tawnypelt left, and they were apprentices then.

Lastly, she treated Bumblestripe badly. Dovewing was pressured by other clanmates to be with Bumblestripe. Bumblestripe is also not a good mate. In the Shattered Sky bonus scene, he asked Dovewing if they should have kits, right after Purdy dies. He also calls her a traitor when she joins Shadowclan, despite her not being able to control who she loved.

That’s all I have to say about these two sisters! Feel free to leave your opinions in the comments. In conclusion, neither Dovewing nor Ivypool are better than the other, since they deal with different struggles.

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  • I think that Ivypool is better, but that’s just my opinion. She has reason to be jealous, as we all understand from Omen of the Stars. Good article! My only cinical comment is that you didn’t talk about Ivypool nearly as much as Dovewing.

      • Don’t call the person stupid for not hating Ivypool. Than why do you like Dovewing when Dovepaw was a immense jerk?
        Not agree with me? Well, here is the list of what Dovepaw had done & Dovewing.

        Things that Dovepaw did:
        – Tell Tigerheart foolishly about the herb patch and is angry that he manipulated her.
        – Threaten Ivypaw to ruin her life if she tell her secret. Cough Dovepaw truly cares about her powers Cough.
        – Angry that Bumblepaw accidentally step on her paw and wouldn’t talk to him a day
        – Angry that Lionblaze keep on bossing her around when she is clearly better than him.
        – Meet with Tigerheart almost every night when her clan was in a crisis
        – She left Ivypaw to deal with the herb patch incident and pretended she was a bystander.

        Things Dovewing did:
        – Spoiling her child too much (Shadowsight) but not her other children. (I mean too much, like she does not let Shadowsight to get punishment and others have.)
        – Dovewing refuse to give space for rogues for just a moon (Which is weird cause Dovewing was a rogue before)
        – Say that the rogues need to be killed
        – Get absolutely no punishment on codebreaking because your mate is the leader.
        – Whiny (Still whiny) about everything
        – Pretend to love Bumblestripe and dump him (I get the fact Dovewing didn’t like him but than she need to be clear of her feelings as Bumble is romantically clueless)
        – Leave to elope in the time of her clan’s and her mate’s clan’s crisis.

        • I think you should be nicer to DoveWing. People call her a Mary Sue, and all you do is look at her bad qualities. Ivypool also has them, you just like to pin things on Dovewing

    • Well, my only “cinical” comment is that Ivypool should have grown up instead of remaining a whiny apprentice.

  • I love Dovewing and Ivypool. My vote falls with DoveWing, simply because of my current loyalty to her. She is treated unfairly by people, and that makes me sad. Loved the article!