Who and what are Gary Stus and Mary Sues? by Frogpaw

Frogpaw takes a look at the supposed Gary Stus and Mary Sues of Warriors.

I know it’s been a hot second but i’m back. If you haven’t met me i’m Frogpaw/sparkle! Chonky frog committing arson in the sparkling moonlight! And to some people who may have been on a blog break for a while i’m also known as Gryffinkit!

INTRO: What will I be discussing today?

What will I be discussing? Well Mary Sues and Gary Stus are a strong subject and I feel like I should discuss that!

What are Mary Sues and Gary Stus?
Mary Sues and Gary Stus are any character that makes no mistakes or very minimal mistakes. Or if they are “perfect” and never have strong emotions. This is NOT a opinion piece so I will refrain from saying “I” or “my”. Well I hope you enjoy! (And I can use “I” in that sentence >:] )

Who is and isn’t a Mary Sue or Gary Sue?

This article is first going to list some characters that others thought seemed too perfect. And we’re going to see, perfect or not?

Feathertail:
Definitely not. First of all, In A Shadow in RiverClan, she is shown with a lack of loyalty to her clan. She has a reason to feel disloyal because her leader almost had her killed. But she is still not a Mary Sue because in TNP, she fell in love with Crowpaw/feather who is from Windclan. That would be breaking the code which makes her NOT a Mary Sue.

Firestar:
Firestar is seen as perfect. That doesn’t make him a unlikeable character though. He is never seen mad and “never makes mistakes”. Here are some reasons why Firestar can be seen as “too perfect”:
— He is in every arc
— He is like the savior of everyone and leader of everything
— He is rarely seen mad and when he is mad he is only mad for a sentence or two
— He always followed the warrior code
There are a lot of reasons but those are only a few listed. Moving on!

Spottedleaf:
Spottedleaf is a character that a lot of people think is a Mary Sue, but some argue. This is where I come in on my opinion: I think that Spottedleaf is at the borderline of a Mary Sue. There really isn’t such thing as a Mary Sue and a Gary Stu but I think that she’s close enough to one. Here’s why:
— She loved cats, but she never mated or had kits
— She seemed a bit too beautiful and kind (is that a thing? Idk)
— Spottedleaf sacrificed herself for her crush’s mate (ok, that seems too perfect. Ngl I would not be able to do that *sob)

Star flower:
(Haven’t read DoTC so skipping!)

Silverstream:
Silverstream has been seen as “too perfect” but she isn’t because she fell in love with a cat from another clan (Graystripe) and that’s against the code. Not just that, but she also had kits which is a double no-no (why do I sound like a child 😭). So Silverstream is not a Mary Sue.

Dovewing:
What? Why am I doing this? No! Dovewing is 100% not a Mary Sue! Actually, people hate Dovewing because she made too many mistakes. First, she fell in love with a cat from a different clan. Some of you may argue that she joined Tigerstar’s clan so that would be alright, but that’s still against the code since (I think) she mated before she joined. And, she left her clan when she was one of the 3, and lost her powers! So no, definitely not.

Leafpool:
NO. She had a forbidden mate, had kits, and gave up her job once. NO!

Lionblaze:
This is hard….uhm, i’m going to say yes and no. No because he tried to kill the love of his life, and fell in love with a Windclan cat. But yes because he never dies. And he never mates with Heathertail. And technically, he couldn’t control not killing Heathertail. Actually, he’s probably not a Gary Stu because his mistake was that he literally couldn’t control himself which is a pretty big mistake.

Cinderheart:
Honestly, yes. CinderPELT made mistakes, but not Cinderheart. It’s hard to interpret her thought because she’s more of a background character.

Now moving onto the next part!

Trying to find mistakes in Gary Stus and Mary Sues

Are there mistakes that can be found in Cinderheart, Firestar, and/or Spottedleaf? Let’s see!

Cinderheart:
Again, this is really hard because she’s in the background but, I did find one thing from when she was an apprentice, when she broke her leg, and Jaypaw was in the medicine den with her, he stated that she talker too much. So behold! Frogpaw has found a mistake!

Firestar:
Hmm. Well, first of all, Firestar flipping loved a medicine cat so…he’s obviously not perfect. And not only that, but Firestar’s clan started to doubt his leadership when he let in too many kittypets. Some of you may think that “Well he’s a kittypet so that’s ok!” But it really isn’t. It isn’t against the warrior code, but he was turning more clans to be jealous when he had so many clan members. So, he’s really not perfect.

Spottedleaf:
This one’s most likely the hardest of them all. Some people would think that since she liked Firepaw, that’s a mistake but some people say it’s not since she technically didn’t mate with Firestar. So i’m coming up with a different mistake! *crickets chirping*
Wait! The age gap between Spottedleaf and Thistleclaw is a mistake!

Wrapping it up:

So really, everyone has at least one mistake. It’s impossible to be perfect. I hope I taught all of you a life lesson today! Frogpaw is out!