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opinions on Moth flight (first med cat) she is my 4th favourite character !
She is my fourth favorite character as well, coincidentally!
I love her- when she was alive anyway. She seemed interesting. Also I think she’s the first ADHD cat in the series. I liked her ship with Micah, too, and her relationship with Spotted Fur (everyone hates it for no reason). Her problems with her family were interesting as well, and Windstar’s growing respect for her was nice to read about.
POOR MICHA
(is this considered a spoiler?)
Technically, yes, but since Moth Flight’s vision came out in 2015, Mallowpaw is not required to put a spoiler warning on it. 😀
I meant my comment.
Same deal. Not a spoiler
she was an interesting character to read about ^^
I like her!
opinions of Turtle tail! she used to be my favourite character now she is 5th
I didn’t particularly like or dislike her. She seemed like a good mate for Gray Wing and their relationship was really sweet!
She’s sweet! And she and Gray Wing were cute together!
who else thinks breezepelt is a lowkey good villain, i mean i personally love his lore and his character.
Yeah, he’s a cool villain, I actually wish that he didn’t redeem because he was cooler as an evil guy.
I like him as a villain; I wish he had been killed in the Great Battle. But I wouldn’t want to miss his scene in the Wind preview; that was hilarious.
opinions on Nightpelt/star (Shadowclan).
He was cool, I loved his graphic novel!
I think nightstar was a pretty nice character and he tried to do what was best for his clan even if it might not have been the best option to lie about having got his nine lives.
Meh. He was made out to be the hero in his graphic novel but then kinda went back on that and tried to keep some of Brokenstar’s policies, about how ShadowClan should keep some of the other Clan’s territories.
he was a good cat, and he wanted to do best for his clan, I think.
opinions on Crowfeather?
I haven’t read his super edition yet but other than that he seemed like a decent character, I think Leafpool was the best mate for him.
It’s worth reading. Maybe a spoiler, but he ultimately resolves his issues with Nightcloud and Breezepelt and is able to move forward and be a better cat.
My favorite (my profile picture is litteraly him😜). Idc if people call him disloyal. He has a bit of my personalitty and I love how he takes care of his losses. I feel so bad for him! Feathertail would have been the best for him. Leafpool’s only love is Thunderclan (and I don’t mean that as a good way). I’m so happy that he is deputy and has a good enough life now. He deserves it! Is he your favorite as well?
YESSSSS Crowfeather and Jayfeather forever!!!
Wow I like Jayfeather as well!!!🤣
YAY JAYFEATHER!!!!!!!!😻😻😻😻😻😻😻😻 UGGGGGH CROWFEATHER!!!!!!!!!!😾😾😾😾😾😾😾😾😾 (lol no offence)
HOW DARE YOU?! /j 😛
Why do you like him, Fern? I really don’t understand😛
I think he’s a very good developed character and his se was amazing.
He’s my 2nd favorite!
Do y’all consider dying a flaw? Like, is a cat is a supposed Gary-Stu, would you try to disprove that by saying they died?
No, tbh more mary-sues/gary-stus die than live
Everybody dies. That says nothing about their character (though the manner of their dying might).
No. Everybody dies
No, Firestar is a Mary Sue, even though he died.
How did you know I was referring to Firestar…? Mine reading? 😛
I don’t need mind reading skills for that, Firestar is the biggest Mary Sue on earth, I have mind reading skills though😛
I’m not sure if this should go here or on polls but what prefixes/suffixes do you guys dislike in Warriors and why?
For prefixes, I mostly dislike bug-themed names (Spider-, Bee-, Maggot-, etc) because idk they just make me feel super icky (I despise bugs)
Beetle- is okay tho, I’m fine with that one for some reason
For suffixes, I really don’t like the suffix -face, because anything you add it to sounds like an insult, even if it’s a great prefix like Amber- or Orchid- (Amberface, Orchidface, etc)
I also don’t really think -stream works well with a color prefix (other than Silver-) because that just makes it sound off (like Yellowstream 😭)
One thing I dislike is when a cat had the name of a specific thing, then there is another cat with the name of that specific thing but more broad. For example, Starlingwing and Birdwing.
Also when the prefix or part of the prefix rhymes with the suffix. Like Hollyleaf or Starlingwing.
Also when the prefix is too long, like- uh- Starlingwing.
Also when the letter at the end of the prefix is the same letter as the beginning of the suffix, for example a name like Shattereddusk or Mallowwillow. Or even worse- something like Grassshade, with three.
agree. I mean, starlingwing…? I wouldn’t want that name 😛
and one of squirrelflight’s kits that died was Dandelionkit… kinda long, no?
Dandelion is a horrendous prefix. What could have been paired with it? And Marigold? STOP.
I kinda like Dandelionkit’s name.
I don’t like Maggot-, Dead-, and Claw- very much. Or super long prefixes paired with long or rhyming suffixes. (Starlingwing is atrocious)
Or when the last letter of the prefix is the same first letter as the suffix. it makes it hard to read
I also don’t like Ratscar, but that’s just because I saw it as Rat’s car and I can’t go back
Agreed! Also thanks for ruining Ratscar for me.
yes, thank you 😛 (that’s funny)
i don’t really like names that are too long and/or just two words don’t go together well
seems like nobody likes rhyming names? i feel like in theory those could be nice but to be fair, i can’t think of a rhyming name that is nice…
What are some characters you like but most don’t?
For me Nightcloud,Breezepelt,Goosefeather,Pinestar,Smoke.Darktail,Nightstar… (I just made half BlogClan hate me/j)
Edit:maybe page flip? Srry
Goosefeather, Nightheart, Moth Flight, Snowfur, Blazefire, Thistleclaw, Darktail, Harestar
I’m not sure if I should answer this, because it will likely be triggering. Just scroll down and don’t read this if you get easily offended by opinions. I’d also prefer if you don’t reply to this just to say you disagree (but if you agree with literally any of these I’d love to hear about it)…
I actually like Lightleap (one of my favorite characters), Skystar, Tigerstar 1 and 2, Brokenstar, Thistleclaw, Darktail, Onestar… There are probably more. I’m fully expecting and prepared for the whole of BlogClan to come for me.
Also, I love Nightcloud, Breezepelt, Darktail, and Nightstar. Maybe half of BlogClan hates you now, but I don’t. :))
I’m not going to “come for you,” everyone’s entitled to their own tastes and opinions, but I’m curious what you “like” about so many villains and cold-blooded killers. Of course, the villains are essential drivers of plot in the books in which they appear but, at the same time, they do things that are morally reprehensible. Could you, perhaps, elaborate on your thoughts about, for example, Brokenstar or Tigerstar I?
The reason I like a lot of villains is because they are interesting. I notice a lot of different reasons people like characters. Some people like character based on how good of a person they are. Others like characters based on how interesting they are (a potential reason for liking villains). Others like characters based on how much they would like them if they met them in real life. Stormpaw/song might like character based on many things, and some of those may make them like a lot of villains.
Pretty much what Enginepaw said! I do not think the characters I mentioned have good morals, but that isn’t how I decide if I like a character. While I do “defend” some of the characters I listed, I like most of them because cold-blooded killers are interesting to read about. :))
I am very interested in Joseph Stalin (dictator of the Soviet Union from the mid 1920s until his death in 1953), a mass murderer rivaled only by Adolf Hitler in the 20th century, whose biography I have been reading lately. I want to understand how the son of a shoemaker from a small provincial town became absolute ruler of one of the most powerful states on the planet and unleashed unprecedented violence and cruelty against his own people. What combination of Russian history and culture, Marxist ideology, the historical moment, and Stalin’s personal psychology made this possible? So I understand being interested in Tigerstar I, Brokenstar, Darktail, et al, I just don’t understand liking them. I would never say I liked Stalin (or Hitler, Mao, or Pol Pot), however much I might be interested in them. Perhaps I’m making too much of what, for some, is a merely semantic distinction.
I would hazard a guess that most people, when they say that they like an antagonist who is unlikeable as a real person (due to their personality or something that they did), are drawn more towards the storytelling aspect instead. When I see people saying that they like certain antagonists of Warriors, I usually also see the words “as a villain”. It’s an addition of only three words, but it marks an important distinction in my eyes. It provides a storytelling context that frames the liking as not being towards the character but rather the character’s purpose and how they were used. “I like Tigerstar as a villain” makes much more sense than “I like Tigerstar as a hero” to me.
If one knew Tigerstar personally (a friend of a friend, for example), they probably wouldn’t like him as a person because he did very harmful things on purpose. But his story can be viewed as a tragedy, both a tragedy revolving around himself, where he was only a few decisions or circumstances away from staying on the morally good path, and a tragedy revolving around the cats associated with him, who either failed to do something as he began to walk the untrodden path or were dragged on it with him. His story can also be viewed as a drama of sorts (political or otherwise), as his acceptance by ShadowClan as their new leader is contrasted with the ThunderClan knowledge that he was an exiled traitor who attempted to murder his leader for his own gain.
I think that unexpected origins and achievements (good or bad) beget stories and stories beget interest and, with the right context, interest begets liking. More importantly, liking doesn’t not necessarily beget blind forgiveness or acceptance. Many people like Mapleshade as a villain, but they still agree that she had committed the crime of intentional murder. She may have been justified (or at least she thought she was justified) and consequently unjustly treated, and that alone can form the basis for an interesting or compelling story, but the facts remain that Ravenwing, Frecklewish, and (albeit accidentally) Appledusk are dead because of the actions she chose to make.
Those are my two cents on the matter, anyway, after years of skimming through articles “defending” the villains of Warriors.
I suppose ‘like’ and ‘interest’ are used simultaneously by a lot of the fandom, and Stormpaw is using them that way as well. As Embix said, perhaps Stormpaw should’ve added ‘as a villain’ to their initial comment referencing Darktail to clear things up.
If you’re interested in some of what Stalin did, there’s a book called Between Shades of Gray (or alternatively Ashes in the Snow) by Ruta Septys which is historical fiction about a young girl from Lithuania who got deported by Stalin in 1943.
I know it isn’t warriors related, but if you want to learn a bit more, it’s a pretty good book.
You have a super interesting opinion! I get why you would like both Tigerstars’, Skystar, and Darktail, (I personally think Darktail is a pretty cool villain) but could you explain why you like Thistleclaw and Brokenstar?? I’m totally not trying to attack you btw, and I can tell you like villains and misunderstood characters, but could you elaborate in what makes you like those two?
I like Thistleclaw because he was overall very interesting and complex. I believe that Snowfur’s death caused him to go insane and do what he did in the Dark Forest and to Spottedpaw (Spottedleaf), and I think he might have been a good leader instead of Bluestar if Snowfur had stayed alive.
As for Brokenstar, I just liked reading about all the chaos he caused and found it funny how he trained kits, though I also think Yellowfang should have taken better care of him as a kit.
I am not saying I think either of these characters have good morals, I am saying they have bad morals and that is what makes them interesting!
You found it…funny that he sent small children to war and to their deaths?
I think Stormpaw meant that they found it funny that a crazy old leader is trying to train tiny kits to kill other cats.
Exactly.
I agree they are quite interesting!
I do believe Thistleclaw was training in the DF before Snowfur’s death so he was on the path to the dark side before then 😛 and he wasn’t quite the best character even before then. and other characters have lost everything and remained strong and loyal, so I don’t believe the loss of Snowfur is enough to pardon Thistleclaw 🙂 but yes, he’s definitely a very complex character!
Ohh alr, so you like them as villains?? Orr-
Breezepelt, Nightcloud, Spottedleaf, Nightstar, Heathertail, Blazefire, and Dovewing
Heathertail, Breezepelt, Nightcloud, Crowfeather, Dovewing, and Snowfur who for some reason people hate :PP
People hate Snowfur? She seems pretty inoffensive, I wonder what would drive someone to hate her. I love Snowfur. 😕
Maybe they hate Thistleclaw so much that they hate Snowfur for loving him
I think that’s why, but I never hated Thistleclaw so I guess that’s why I never found Snowfur dislikable.
Regardless of my thoughts on Thistleclaw, I think Snowfur should be considered a separate character from him.
Agreed.
Crowfeather, I don’t care what people say!!!!
Good job!👏👏👏👏👏
YESSS CROWFEATHER <33
crowfeathers great!!
thank you
CROWFEATHER!!
He’s my 2nd fav character and I love him.
Crowfeather!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(I wish his art was less uglier😭😭😭)
IKRRRR 😭😭😭😭😭
CROWFEATHER IS AMAZING!!! Had no idea people hated him.
Someone hates almost any character you care to name (and someone else loves them).
True. But does that mean there are people who hate Ivypool and Bristlefrost?(I can’t think of a single reason to hate them.)
‘Ivypool is envious and bitter!’
‘Bristlefrost followed Ashfur in the beginning of The Broken Code!’
People can find a reason to hate a character no matter what.
Oof- you’re completely right!
well. It’s not that I hate Bristlefrost with a passion, but I don’t like her :/
If you feel comfortable answering, why don’t you like her?
She just never interested me. And a lot of her actions annoyed me
Oh, alright. I think I can understand that.
Crowfeather forever!!! (Yeah, I’m srry but I don’t like the James L Barry art at all…) anyways, what do you like better: crow x leaf or crow x feather?
I like Crow x Squilf! (I hate both of ’em so they’re a good couple)
I like CrowxLeaf for sure. CrowxFeather was generic and undeveloped. I actually like CrowxNight better than CrowxFeather, honestly.
Hollybreeze, Dovebreeze, and Bramblebreeze 😀
By Bramblebreeze do you mean Bramblebreeze or Bramblebreeze?
Oml
I think she means Bramblebreeze!
Ok, thanks for the clarification
XDDDD
Breezepelt and Heathertail!
Onestarr
Pinestar. I am against the creepy ship with a cat very much younger than him but his character is good.
I sympathize with Pinestar. He was sickened by the endless (and, to me, senseless) battles over the Sunning Rocks and in the end became sort of a pacifist, an awkward position for the leader of a warrior clan.
That’s a really good way to think of his character – I hadn’t thought about that before, but you’re right, that was what happened to him.
Kinda similar to Mudfur. Those both were really great characters. If only the Erins had properly taken into consideration how old Pinestar was.
And in addition, he was being harassed by dreams telling him to kill Tigerkit, which he was unwilling to do. Getting out was a reasonable choice for him.
I agree, but I feel like people are being too dismissive of the fact he dated a cat young enough to be his granddaughter and was hinted to have liked her when she was an apprentice (I know nobody here supports that and I’m not trying to imply anyone does, by the way).
I think that though he’s certainly done good things (I mean, we assume. he was already senile in Bluestar’s Prophecy, the first glimpse we got of him) and he’s got a goodish character I guess, his relationship with Leopardfoot was too inexcusably messed up and disgusting to be looked beyond.
Not only did he get date a cat much younger than him, when he got her pregnant, he was extremely absent from the relationship. When Leopardfoot went into an agonising labour, Pinestar didn’t visit her once during her time of pain and fear, and hardly seemed concerned.
We could say “but he was sick of blood! He was done with battles and seeing other cats in pain. No reason to hate him” but I strongly disagree. Graystripe lost his mate, Silverstream, who died during childbirth.
Where was he when Millie went into labour, despite his vivid fear, which we could see through Jaypaw’s senses? Right beside her. Other toms remained by their mate’s side while she was dying or in pain too.
Pinestar should have been there. Then when his kits were born, he refused to see them, despite the fact they were sick and could have died at any moment. I don’t think Pinestar deserves sympathy when he couldn’t summon enough to see his exhausted mate who had just gone through a painful labour and now has 3 weak kits and an absent partner.
Then Pinestar announced he was leaving – and tried to leave camp without even saying goodbye to Leopardfoot. She literally had to intercept him before he left and ask him why he was leaving her.
Pinestar preceded to say something nice to Tigerkit and ignore his ill daughters, Nightkit and Mistkit.
I have no problem with the fact he left his Clan – I have a problem with the fact he mated with a very young and impressionable cat, then left her after being an absent figure from both her life and his kits’. In my opinion, his actions are so disgusting that the rest of his character is spoiled.
But that’s just what I think.
I will come back and address some of your other points later, but I want to touch on just one at the moment. Although it’s been a while since I read Bluestar’s Prophecy or Pinestar’s Choice, but I don’t recall any indication that he was “senile,” which means suffering from some form of dementia. Where do you get this idea?
I think she might be getting that idea from him ignoring Leopardfoot when she was kitting, and seeming to freak out somewhat about it. Although I still wouldn’t label that action as ‘senile’.
Yeah I was, I meant what I said below about how he was just a little distracted and not really mentally present due to his trauma or distaste or whatever he was feeling of the Clan battles. I used the wrong word sorry! ^^
Still, I stand by the rest of my comment. 😛
Oh sorry I just meant he was already a little distracted by his newfound disgust for the Clan’s bloody nature and not really a very there character at that moment.
That wasn’t the right word to use sorry ^^
I agree with you that Pinestar’s treatment of his mate and kits was inexcusable. I do not agree that the age difference between Pinestar and Leopardfoot (or between any other pair of mates you might wish to name) is significant. Why? Because it is not significant to them. In all the series, I have never seen a single instance of any character commenting on the ages of a pair of mates. Indeed, with one exception*, I have never seen a character mentioning their own or another character’s age. I don’t think they count years. They know when a kit had reached the ago of six moons and is ready to be apprenticed, but that’s the only example of counting time that I’m aware of. I think if you could ask one of warriors how old they were, you’d draw a blank. They live in the eternal cycle of the seasons.
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*In Ravenpaw’s Farewell, Barley says that he’s seen a couple more Leaf Bares than Ravenpaw, but he’s not old yet.
For a vast majority of pairings in the Warriors series, I agree with what you’ve described here to a certain extent. Indeed, within the Warriors world, age does not seem to matter much beyond the age of when a kit is ready to be apprenticed and the average age of becoming a warrior. The main issue, at least from my own observations of various debates over the years, does not lie within the Warriors world but rather in the interaction between the Warriors world and the readers.
Though the worldbuilding of Warriors very clearly tells us that it is a fantasy world due it being in the perspective of talking cats in organized feral colonies, the characters of Warriors are very human. The conflicts, barring some of the more fantastical or supernatural elements, can be likened to human experiences. Overcoming prejudice and discrimination over aspects of yourself you cannot control, finding unexpected friendships and romances, feeling stifled under society’s rules and being forced to hide who you truly are or what you truly love – these are all things that readers can relate to despite the characters being talking cats.
Now for older readers, such as you and I (anyone above the age of 18 is included in this category, I believe), they are able to distinguish the lines between the Warriors world and our world. As you’ve pointed out, within the closed circuit of the Warriors world, the logic that has been pieced together states that a cat’s age doesn’t really matter once they become a warrior. So long as they haven’t been injured to the point of early retirement, they will continue to be an active part of clan life season after season until they’re physically too old to do so anymore. This is the nature of these fantasy feral cat colonies and it makes sense for these cats to keep going until they can’t go any further; there isn’t anything beyond clan life for them to do because it is heavily based on physical survival. There also isn’t exactly a huge difference in beliefs between generations, not until more recently in the series where there were changes made to the warrior code. We are able to separate these two worlds and thus accept that our society’s logic, for the most part, isn’t transferrable to Warriors‘s society’s logic.
But for younger readers (the main demographic of Warriors), who perhaps have not accumulated the same range of reading material as their senior readers have, they are a lot less likely to be able to make that distinction. Because the characters are very human in their personalities, thoughts, and feelings, it is much easier to humanize the world of Warriors and consequently the society of Warriors. The characters, as I described before, can be very relatable to readers, which provides even more reason/justification for a reader to humanize a Warriors character. By humanizing Warriors, we begin to compare and attempt to apply our society’s rules to it. It is in our society that such age gaps are far less acceptable, so surely these characters that go through similar (figurative) experiences as us think so as well?
At its core, fairly deep below the surface level, this line of thinking or debating shifts from whether or not the logic is okay to whether or not the presentation/execution of the logic was well done. In this regard, the logic was not received properly because the vast majority of readers do not consider the logic of Warriors as being in a closed circuit and instead humanizes it. This humanizing lens, I feel like, gets carried on by readers as they grow older even as they acknowledge the logic of Warriors because they recognize that this is the way that younger readers view the series and how they are influenced by the series.
Additionally, a lot of the pairings that get pointed out for having age gaps were set up or stated a lot earlier on in the publication history of the series and so I imagine that the modern Story Team is a bit stuck with those pairings, although previously-established information hasn’t stopped them before from retconning that information. I cannot picture the modern Story Team as not being aware of the humanizing lens readers have as they’re planning new books. I’m sure they at least give some thought to perceived age differences nowadays due to the reaction to Spottedleaf’s Heart when it was published in 2017, as it had almost immediately been flagged by readers as portraying something very dangerous for young kids in a positive light, and it has since somewhat acted as the crowning culmination point of the past decade or so of age gap debates.
I appreciate your insights, Embix.
I completely agree with you, Silv
This is exactly how I’ve viewed Pinestar since I read his novella. He became disillusioned with Clan life. How could he lead a Clan well if he thought everything they did was pointless?
Not only was he being told to kill his baby son, but he was already having an existential crisis. My man needed to get out
I haven’t read his novella, but I hate Pinestar. He turned his back on his mate, his kit, and his Clan when they needed him most (the war over Sunningrocks).
THIS. THANK YOU STORMPAW
i literally couldn’t care less that Pinestar left, I feel bad for him I suppose but his treatment of Leopardfoot is disgusting. His actions toward Leopardfoot and his kits are completely seperate from him leaving his Clan and there’s no excuse.
I don’t really know where I stand here. I think Pinestar’s treatment of his kin were unacceptable, but I think that he was going through a bit of a tough time and wanted to escape.
Nightcloud, Breezepelt, Heathertail, and Dovewing!
Star-Flower, Darktail, Crowfeather, Oakstar, Nightstar, and yessss I quite enjoyed Nightcloud as well.
Rootspring, Nightheart, Tigerstar v1.0
I think most people like Rootspring?
My friend told me he’s whiny, I like him but I guess others think he’s whiny too 😛
Curlfeather. Dovewing. Squirrelflight.
Now I wait for chaos.
YOU CAN HAVE CHAOS IF YOU WANT BECAUSE SQUILF IS DA WORSSSSSSTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!
YES YES YES SQUILF IS TERRIBLE!!!! AND DOVE IS REALLY ANNOYING TOO!!! (But Curlfeather’s alright lol.)
Dovewing, Pinestar, Star Flower, Nightcloud, Lightleap, and Spottedleaf
I love Lightleap!!
Help why’d my name get cut off
characters that would be in Taylor swift’s 1989 era
edit: I need to change my pfp
Feathertail, Silverstream
Leafpool and Crowfeather 100% fit the song “I Know Places” so them!
Lol!
I’m not a big swifty so I don’t really know, but maybe Leafpool? (I probably sound dumb-)
I feel like Leafpool’s more Evermore. I agree with Mallow on Feathertail!
Opinions on Tree and mediators. I think we should have more (mediators, not Tree! we just need one)
hmm, i’m kind of f neutral on that one. at first i didn’t really like it, (I don’t really like changes) but i’m used to it now, and in the current series (ASC) Tree hardly does anything.
Tree is awesome. I just read his novella and that made me like him a lot more. He is probably the strangest cat in the series and he is really awesome because of that! He was really funny in TBC too.
Yesssss, we need more mediators!!!
I don’t have much of an opinion about mediators as such (except that not much mediation has happened) but I think Tree is a great character. Having been born into a different culture and lived as a loner, he is skeptical of clan ways and the code, which gives him a different viewpoint. And I love his method of hunting by pretending to be a bush.
I agree. I also love how Tree is an exception to the theme implied in the series that if you are disloyal, you are a bad cat.
He’s loyal to his mate and kits. The clan comes second.
Honestly, if there were more mediators, maybe the Erins wouldn’t ignore them as much and go more indepth in Clan politics.
I agree we need more, but only 1 more. A mediator app!
I love Tree! He’s very unique 😀
what does everyone think of Sol?
My thoughts on Sol are here:
https://blogclan.katecary.co.uk/2023/07/12/sol-and-darktail-compare-and-contrast-by-whitewhiskers/
Love him tho he sorta disappeared so I’m doing a fanfic about his bephew
I think he’s an interesting villain 🙂
He’s an interesting villain!
He was a decent villain. It was kind of weird that he used an eclipse to ‘manipulate’ ShadowClan into following him. He made me feel like the Erins wanted a more manipulative than violent villain, and Sol was their attempt at that. Imo Curlfeather, Splashtail, and Darktail did a way better job at this than Sol.
And he acted like he knew more than he did, which raises a lot of questions on how much he knows. And he kinda just disappeared in the end and said that he would be back. But the Erins mentioned something that I agree with: Knowing where Sol went or everything he knew would subtract from his character.
He’s pretty cool, but I don’t remember much about him (besides that he predicted a solar eclipse).
my favourite villain. because…. he isn’t using violence to get his ways!!!!! its really the ONLY cat who’s done that..
I love him as a villain; he’s not the typical bad guy using strength and force to get what they want, instead he uses words, persuasion, and manipulation, which I think is really interesting, and he’s really fascinating to read about. Definitely one of my favorite villains in the Warriors series.
Does anyone know some random facts about Gorsestar?
Fallowpaw | 🔥Fire alone can save our Clan🔥-Spottedleaf | 💧More water will flow before we join StarClan💧-Ravenpaw | 🌫Don’t you want to breathe the fresh air, and eat fresh-kill whenever you’re hungry, and feel soft grass underneath your paws?🌫-Graystripe | 🌍Like I said, Earth is a big name for a kit your size🌍-Root | Warrior quotes for all elements!!!!
Fun fact: Gorsestar was mentioned in Battles of the Clans, in Rabbittail’s chapter.
He has spiky head fur, and was named after it. He’s Crowfeather’s great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-something-grandpa.
Cool
No sorry 😛
Who do you think Sunningrocks rightfully belongs to? RiverClan, or ThunderClan?
For me, I think Sunningrocks belongs to RiverClan, and RiverClan only. Just because ThunderClan hunted there and RiverClan usually just sunbathed, it is still on RC’s territory. All the fights and battles they had over it gets on my nerves 😛
Every fight had over the rocks was pointless. Honestly, both Clans use it for different purposes, so they should share it. ThunderClan could hunt and RiverClan could sunbathe.
I agree!
I disagree. A skirmish, if not a battle, would be inevitable if two clans share part of their territory. Small fights and arguments happen even at the Gathering, and there’s no truce at Sunningrocks- fighting won’t be prohibited. But that’s just my opinion 🙂
Yes. Every drop of blood that was spilled was wasted. Every cat that died died needlessly. It was all about pride and prestige, which are very poor things to fight for.
RiverClan no explanation.
ThunderClan!!!!!! It’s on their territory!!!
I think they belong to RiverClan but ThunderClan should still have them since it’s the edge of the river, the perfect border, and they could easily catch something by leaping out of a tree. But I still think RiverClan has the righteous control over them.
They should make it BOTH.
ThunderClan because they actually needed it for the prey. *prepares to get attacked*
I believe ThunderClan, they actually use it for prey and the rocks moved to ThunderClan territory, RiverClan no longer had rights after that
I personally believe RiverClan should have the rocks during newleaf and greenleaf when ThunderClan has plenty of prey and RiverClan wants to sunbathe. Then in leaf-fall and leafbare, when ThunderClan is more hungry, they can hunt at the rocks and eat more prey. RiverClan is more well fed than the other Clans so this shouldn’t be a problem.
Easy! No more bloodshed.
Should I be the new mediator of the Clans? Yes. /lh
I completely agree
Controversy: it should be neutral ground for the elders to hang out at
Yeah, the Sunningrocks are literally where the ‘respect your elders’ rule in the code came from.
Riverclan. The border between Thunderclan and Riverclan is the river, and not ‘where the river was when the border was first drawn’, so at first, I figured that it was Thunderclan territory, as once the river changed course it was no longer on Riverclan territory. But then, I thought, that could honestly cause some big problems later down the line. If the river changed course further into either territory, it could cause either clan to lose a significant portion of territory, and simply going by the ‘river is the border’ rule could cause one clan to suffer due to this. Additionally, Riverclan didn’t just use it to sunbathe, it was a vital source of prey during the winter months, Thunderclan had plenty more areas to hunt land prey but Riverclan is limited in their amount of land, plus considering that part of their territory serves as a twoleg camping ground it’s probably not very prey-rich compared to the territories of other clans which don’t have as much human influence.
I actually think that sharing it would be a better solution but I know these cats are much too proud to choose the best option. Also, if you haven’t seen it go to the Sunningrocks page on the warriors wiki, one of the uses listed on the page is ‘fighting over a pile of rocks’ 😛
ThunderClan, and I’ve always thought so. It’s a pointless argument to have, like Silverdusk said RiverClan and ThunderClan could just share (this would be a good situation for a mediator to be involved), but in the end if they were to give it exclusively to one clan, ThunderClan. They need and will use it more than RiverClan, and the river is a border that makes sense and is clear. When you make exceptions in certain places, RiverClan may decide to branch off from Sunningrocks and start overstaying their welcome in other places. It would not be good for ThunderClan.