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one of the most interesting parts of warriors (in my opinion) that i haven’t seen anyone talk about is the super ancient mythological clans, leopardclan, tigerclan, and lionclan
it’s just that this opens up so many weird scientific plotholes… this implies that warrior cats evolved from modern big cats, which makes no sense. you could argue that what the books describe as lions, tigers, and leopards could just be prehistoric versions of the big cats, but it still doesn’t make sense considering how cats actually evolved (according to most scientists).
and sure, the whole ancient clans thing is just a myth within the modern warrior cats clans, but still, the fact that the domestic cats know what tigers, lions, and leopards look like and act like still doesn’t make any sense (especially considering that, even though they know these animals that live nowhere near where the domestic cats live, they do not know what a monkey is).
i’m confusing myself at this point, but i still can’t seem to make sense of any of it. either these warrior cats live in a completely different timeline than us (possibly in the far far future??), or some super ancient tribe cats went exploring across the entire world for a while so they could come across those big cats, or something else
(one more thing: the mythological clans use modern naming and ranking conventions instead of tribe customs, which is yet another thing that doesn’t make much sense unless these myths are relatively new 😛 )
The clans probably made up the myths for kits stories, then got passed down and established as mythology. Maybe a former kittypet who joined the clans knew about tigers, lions, and leopards? It isn’t likely that they actually evolved from the big cats.
I agree. The mythology probably isn’t true and is just stories made up for kits.
Our domestic cats evolved from the African Wildcat (Felis Sylvestris Lybica), so at one time their ancestors lived alongside of lions and leopards, though perhaps not tigers. How they might have kept that memory alive for so many thousands of years, I don’t know.
It is also weird, since according to DoTC the Clans came from the mountains. The ancients had names that were different from the Clans’ names, and yet the ancient “clans” had the clan names we use today.
I have a feeling the reasoning for the naming is that they don’t remember the original names in the legends, due to them being passed down through centuries, so they just made up names that fit with their clans to make it less confusing for kits being told the story.
“The ancients had names that were different from the Clans’ names, and yet the ancient ‘clans’ had the clan names we use today.”
I’m not clear on what you mean here. First, what do you mean by the “ancient clans”? Do you mean the early settlers in DOTC, or do you mean the original cats that left the lake to become the Tribe? Second, the clan names, do you mean the names of the five clans, or the style of names of individual cats?
Probably just myths and kit stories
Yeah, that is a bit confusing. Plus with the establishment of Dawn of the Clans (DotC), we know that the cats’ anscestors were originally mountain cats, loners, and kittypets. So where would that leave LeopardClan, TigerClan, and LionClan?
Furthermore, if the cats claim they “evolved” from these mythological Clans, why are there still leopards, tigers, and lions today? Maybe not in the Warriors universe, but we must acknowlege the fact it is realistic fiction until you dive into the cat societies, which then dissolves into an easily notable fantasy genre.
And the theory that Warriors takes place far into the future is kind of confusing, at least for me. I’ve personally based the timeline of the books by their major events, especially on the events from Eclipse (of PoT), which I’m guessing took place during the solar eclipse in 2017 (I believe?). Sure, there could be another eclipse in the future, but then why does the cats’ translations of human equipment translate into modern-day equipment we use? (ie, bulldozers from TNP, the Twolegplaces, the houses.) Wouldn’t our technology be advanced if it’s that far into the future?
Going back to the subject of the mythological Clans: if they lived in the same society of the modern cats, wouldn’t they be seen in StarClan? It’s unlikely, but possible.
I agree with the majority of the comments that this is just a story for kits and isn’t really true.
Do you think warrior cats should have more traits exhibited in cats than they currently do?
Stuff like going on patrols primarily in the morning and evening and sleeping during the day, or using their whiskers to feel where stuff is, perhaps exhibiting physical behaviours and emotions as cats do, such as enjoying curling up in small spaces Arther than being claustrophobic or landing on their feet more often than they do? Or do you rather these more anthropomorphised cats that interact with each and and have visual cues more similar to that of humans?
I think warrior cats should have more physical cat traits! (definitely not me trying to pretend that I know what anthropomorphised means, i’m guessing something like giving non-human things humans characteristics?? idk)
Yeah, it’s giving non human characters human traits ^^
I feel the series would be too different if they were normal cats
And yes, they’ve always kinda been humans in cat suits to me i guess. Just furries roleplaying/j
But they are very human, yes.
That’d be cool!
I have wondered about these things too. Sharing tongues is a normal cat behavior. One I miss is what I call dirt bathing—all of my cats love rolling on their backs in the dirt, wiggling with pleasure. Also, clan cats never use catmint to get high, only for medicine.
is catmint catnip/has the same effect on cats?
as far as I know they aren’t alike. A cat would also get in major trouble for wasting medicine, especially during greencough seasons
Catmint and catnip are not the same but they are closely related.
i think one of the authors said that warrior cats are really just humans in cat bodies at this point, and having non-human characters allows them to write about very serious human topics without being too non-child friendly
though i would really love to see more cat behaviors in warrior cats since it adds to the atmosphere in my opinion 🙂
I think so
i feel like there’s less logic so that they can use more plotholes, but either way, they still should have more cat-like features than they currently do.
I have probably said this before: Warrior Cats are like humans, but not us modern humans. They are very like our Paleolithic hunter-gatherer ancestors, as anthropologists imagine them to have been. They live in small clans. They hunt for their food (they don’t gather, except for medicine cats gathering herbs—cats are “obligate carnivores,” that is, they need an all-meat diet to live and be healthy). They have a chief (the leader) and a shaman figure (the medicine cat), who is both a healer and a religious leader. They perform ceremonies of initiation for important life passages. I don’t know whether the Erins had this model in mind when they created the Warriors, but the similarities seem too numerous to be a coincidence.
Warrior Cats can’t be like modern humans because, no matter how similar their minds are to ours, they lack opposable thumbs and therefore cannot create the technologies that distinguish us from our distant ancestors. (I find medicine cats tying knots in leaf bundles and splinting broken limbs to be beyond reasonable feline abilities). They will not invent the wheel, learn to make fire, or invent agriculture (Jayfeather’s herb garden notwithstanding).
i would really like them to exhibit behaviours like these, but i wouldn’t want to change the fact that the cats are mentally just fuzzy little humans
Definitely more cat traits! I guess the Erins thought by making the cats more human it would help us connect to them more, but still 🙂
Agreed! Most warrior cats just act like humans in cat bodies, tbh 🙂
Leader: Firestar
Deputy: Whitestorm
Medicinecat: Jayfeather!!
Warrior: Ivypool!
Queen: Tawnypelt:
Elder: Dunno maybe Longtail?
Kit: Kit: IDK maybe Petalkit?
Leader: FIRESTAR!!!!!!
Deputy: Juniperclaw
Medicinecat: Jayfeather/Goosefeather
Warrior: Hollyleaf
Queen: Ivypool
Elder: Longtail?
Kit: Patchkit
Leader: LEAFSTAR <3
Deputy: Ivypool
Medicine Cat: Cinderpelt
Warrior: umm squilf
Queen: Sorreltail
Elder: Longtail, Mosspelt or Purdy
Kit: Snowkit
YES LEAFSTAR
Hi Rosefern! if this is in reference to a previous comment, I just wanted to give a gentle reminder to hit the “reply” button to reply directly to the comment you’re referring to 🙂
Leader: Leopardstar or Bluestar (or hopefully ICESTAR!)
Deputy: TAWNYPELTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
Medicinecat: Probably Cinderpelt
Warrior: Petaldust! Petaldust is AWESOME! (Claps if you remember who Petaldust is if you’re not me…) Or Icewing, who’s also awesome! Or Sunbeam, or-
Queen: Blossomfall or Ferncloud!
Elder: Mousefur!
Kit: uhhhhhh…Petalkit? Mosskit? Patchkit? Idk.
Leader: TALLSTAR 😀
Deputy: ✨Graystripe✨
Med cat: Cinderpelt :>
Warrior: Feathertail
Queen: Brakenwing
Elder: Longtail, definitely. Poor boi didn’t deserve the elder den.
Kit: Mosskit! (Probably bc of the whole Maple adopts her AU lol)
Couple bonus ones bc why not
Kittypet: Cody
Loner: Barley
Apprentice: Swiftpaw
Villain: Sol
Do you think Squirrelflight should have been single or needs a mate? And if you think she needs a mate, do you think Bramblestar, Ashfur, or another cat (Stormfur or Shrewpaw) is better for her?
Squirrelflight should be single. Why does she need a mate?
yes, all of her mate options are either dead or dillusioned
Shrewpawwww
omg yes he would be so much better to squilf tha bramble or ash
I would prefer her to stay single, but if I had to choose her a mate, I would say Shrewpaw 🙂
I think she should’ve been single and adopted a kit (like she actually did lol) because she wanted kits so much.
squirrelflight shouldve been single. i dont remember any cat that didn’t have a mate during the series.
I headcannon her to be pansexual. She wouldn’t care what gender a cat is, especially early Squirrelflight. She had a whole mood of “I don’t care.” But I don’t think that she had the right choice for a mate. Unlike in some cases where opposites attract, I think the perfect mate for Squirrelflight would be a cat who shared her energy and enthusiasm, but would still be willing to protect her, but not too much. A cat like Icicle, I think. Stormfur and Brambleclaw are too serious for Squirrelflight, and Ashfur is too overprotective. I’ll have to go with Shrewpaw, because I expect he was similar to the cat I described.
Squilf should be single 😀
I think she should be single. Out of the choices that could’ve happened in canon, Shrewpaw is my favourite, but although they would be a healthy pairing i still don’t think they would be that interesting.
I think Shrewpaw. They were adorable together.
Firstly, why is everyone in love with Squilf?
Secondly, I think she deserves someone a lot better than all her options.
Once upon a time, I would have said Brambleclaw. But. You know. Now he sucks. So I say that she should be single
But if Shrewpaw was alive, I think they could have had a chance!
I personally think Squirrelflight was better off with a mate :)) in Squirrelflight’s Hope you could see how much she needed Bramblestar’s love and how much she wanted kits. Except… most of her mate options weren’t that good I guess. Bramblestar truly does love her, and their relationship was really cute and sweet earlier on, and while I still love the ship, I think Bramblestar could’ve been less toxic to her many times, even tho I think he’s the best mate option for Squilf. I picture Shrewpaw as Squirrelflight’s best friend, Stormfur as a close friend to her, Crowfeather as a close friend (or they used to be, and now they’re fellow deputies), and Ashfur is horrible, and I don’t see how anyone could say he’s better than Bramblestar. Ashfur would never be a good mate for Squirrelflight, especially since she’s bound to argue with his decisions sometimes, and you know how Ashfur is when things don’t go his way.
I really feel like Squilfy should be single. But if I had to give her a mate, I’d say either Daisy or Shrewpaw. Bramblestar is abusive to Squilf and she deserves better. Early Ashfur (TNP) was decent, but still a bit to overprotective for a risky gal like my girl Squilf, and older Ashfur was NO WAY HOSEA. I feel like Daisy and Squilf would be adorbs and would know each other’s boundries. Daisy would help Squilf calm down when she’s a bit too hyper, and Squilf would help Daisy to stand up for herself. Shrewpaw and Squilf would be cute, and they have similar personalities.
I really think Daisy would be 👌 She and Squilf would help each other grow mentally and emotionally and make each other better cats. In my AU, Squilf (who is pan) breaks up with Bramble after her Super Edition and becomes mates with Daisy. <3 But that’s just my opinion!
How do you guys feel about how villains are portrayed? I feel like they’re really just shown in battle, doing “evil things and murdering everyone” and such 😛 I think that each antagonist has their own side of the story and I’d really like to see more POVs from a villain. So far, we just have 2 villain novellas: Mapleshade’s Vengeance and Tigerclaw’s Fury. If you ask me, we need more villain novellas/super editions! Personally, I’d really like to see Ashfur’s POV in a novella/SE after he got rejected or during the fire scene, or more in the Broken Code drama. It kind of annoys me how it’s always the POVs who save the day; why not have a villain as one of the POVs? Or just a side character? Honestly, I think there’s quite a bit of bias going on when it comes to villains and heroes. 😛
Your views are apparently different from mine, but I’m OK with having a bias against those who commit murder and treason to gain power. I don’t put Mapleshade in this category, I think she was driven mad by her guilt and grief at having caused the deaths of her own kits. I do definitely put Tigerstar and Brokenstar in this category. I really don’t need the POV of the cat who killed Brindleface to bait the dog pack. I haven’t read TBC yet, so I reserve judgement on his case.
Gimme a SE of Frogleap! Or Brackenfur! Or Whitewing!!!
I’m honestly not very interested in villains such as Tigerstar and Brokenstar who feel quite run-of-the-mill, but more villain/morally grey povs would be nice, I do enjoy Mapleshade’s pov in her novella. A book with Ashfur’s pov set in Starclan would be cool, whatever form it would be in.
Agreed!!
I get bored with how villains are portrayed. I want there to be a super edition in the view of a cat who is just literally insane. I feel like that would be very interesting, seeing views different from the normal, run-of-the-mill hero.
I think that Moth Flight was too obsessed with StarClan. Having just finished Moth Flight’s Vision, it’s pretty clear. When StarClan tells Moth Flight that Windstar, currently injured at that time, needed to go to Highstones, Moth Flight doesn’t really hesitate or think about Windstar’s physical state. I mean, sure, she cares and all that, but if I were Moth Flight, I probably would wait for Windstar to be in a better condition. Moth Flight also gives up her kits because StarClan tells her to. I’ll have to give it to her, Moth Flight was stressed with both duties of being a medicine cat and a mother. But why give away her kits? Why not give them to some other queen and visit them? I did particularly get sad when Blue Whisker insisted to stay with Moth Flight, but Moth Flight was fixated on “scattering the petals” to bring peace because of Bubbling Stream’s, Spider Paw’s, Blue Whisker’s, and Honey Pelt’s sibling bond. This proves to be useless because we still see battles among the Clans all the time. Also, the ending is kind of ominous. It ends with Moth Flight seeing Micah, happy but also sad because “while she lives, she must give him up” and “realizes” that her dreams, every beat of her heart, every hair on her pelt, etc, belongs to StarClan. Which, no, Moth Flight, it doesn’t. You belong to you, not StarClan. What do you think?
There was no sense in waiting for Wind Runner (Windstar) to be “in better condition.” She was dying from an infected would. They barely got her to the Moonstone in time.
I agree
I’m really mad on Mothflight for giving away her kits, I think he did this just because she couldn’t be a med cat and a mother. Ultimately, she cared more about Starclan than about her kits and Micah and this breaks my heart.
I haven’t fully read Moth flight’s vision, but the decision to split her kits up makes me pretty mad. If she can’t handle being a medicine cat and a mother, it’s fine to look for another queen that could help raising them but why then separate them, severing them from the last close bonds they would have in wherever their new home is?
I agree. I feel bad for Moth Flight- she was completely brainwashed into thinking that she OWED StarClan anything, It’s really sad. StarClan did nothing except make her suffer. The medicine cat rule should be “a medicine cat can only take a mate and/or have kits when they have fully trained an apprentice.”
I agree! Erins make a book where they change this rule please :’>
Who do you think is going to reincarnate next? Probably Firestar. Because of course “the almighty fire that will save the clans” would reincarnate. But if it was up to me, I think it would be cool to reincarnate Leopardstar or Sandstorm. If you reincarnated Ashfur he’d probably just try and destroy the clans. But it would be cool to see Squilf die and reincarnate along with Ashfur and then they have a realationship again without fires, rejection, or killing. Mistystar would be cool too but she lived really long so I don’t think she really needs to live again. What about Brightsky? Leopardstar’s mother? That would be so cool!
What do you think?
I think it’d get a lot of hate if they reincarnated another cat. The, “You’re running out of ideas!!!” hate would get worse.
Agree
Probably Firestar, if anyone. The Erins might be getting tired of the reincarnation storyline, though.
I will seriously go crazy if Firestar in reincarnated ugh
for real he’s been in every arc [-dotc] like he should be completely dead by now. i would start crying if firestar got reincarnated.
Honestly same… I’m so tired of him
That’s why the backstory of the creation of Star Hollow begins with “A long time into the future, when even the greatest leader Firestar had been forgotten…”
I really want either Sottedleaf or Bristlefrost to get reincarnated! Their spirits both disappeared so I would like for them to come back. Hopefully, a reincarnated Spottedleaf would be less annoying.
YES BRISTLEFROST
They shouldn’t do another reincarnation because I honestly didn’t like how they portrayed Cinderpelt’s reincarnation into Cinderheart. I wish they put more story and plot behind instead of just Jayfeather breaking the news to her after Cinderpaw/heart injures herself and then she obsesses over being a second version of Cinderpelt and trying to be a medicine cat and Lionblaze having convince her to live her own life, and yeah. I might have got some facts wrong but, this how I interpreted Cinderheart’s situation.
I’ve been seeing a lot of people calling Greystripe disloyal lately, and I would like to discuss this. I disagree with this point of view because in my opinion leaving your Clan for your kits/lover is not disloyal. In fact, it shows a moral obligation to your family that, in my opinion, is the greatest form of loyalty. I would even go as far as to say that a cat who didn’t leave for their family was disloyal to the warrior code, as they would be putting cats in danger and creating tensions between Clans, as in a battle scenario, they may have to fight against their mate/kits. What is your opinion in this argument?
I agree but I still think Graystripe was disloyal in other ways (ex, leaving Squirrelflight when clan needed him most)
Greystripe and Silverstream’s relationship, not the forbidden relationship itself, because i’m generally supportive of them but him shirking off all his responsibilities, I think is disloyal. I think it was good that he left the clan to be with his kits, though, but he did immediately give up any hope of trying to keep the kits in Thunderclan, which you could argue was disloyal
I call him traitorstripe because he betrayed BOTH of his Clans!
He betrayed ThunderClan by deceiving them and being a mate with a RiverClan cat and then betrayed his new Clan by not helping them in battle and silently begging to leave RiverClan while ThunderClan was sheltering with them.
I don’t even think he was a great father either.
The other comments also just reminded me, HE LEFT THUNDERCLAN FOR NO REASON.. Bluestar stated she was willing to fight to keep Graystripe’s kits.
why do you think he was a bad father? as I see it he was a good one – he put his kids about everything else, including Clan loyalties, and moved to RiverClan to avoid the need to make his friends fight for his kits. He didn’t want Silverstream to have to leave her life behind to move to ThunderClan with them, as well, so he sacrificed instead.
True, but ya Graystripe was questionable. he can never decide his loyaltys. When Fireheart questioned him about it Graystripe attacked him and made him disloyal as well. Then he just LEAVES ThunderClan for his kits only to return whenstaying in RiverClan is inconvinent for him. I think he wasn’t that bad but he could certainly be better.
I agree with Lilbreeze, I love graystripe!
well, saying you love graystripe is different from saying he’s disloyal. either way, i think he was pretty loyal, he left to be with his kits for like, what, a day? and then he came back to serve his rightfully-placed clan. i wouldve liked to see a graystar. if anything, tawnypelt was more disloyal.
He moved to River after Silverstream died btw-
He also must not have cared a ton about the kits if he abandoned them over his birth Clan in multiple ways. Stormfur and Feathertail mostly grew up without a father figure.
I have a big problem with the mangas or graphic novels. I have read several, either because they fill in holes in the storyline (Graysripe’s journey, SkyClan and the Stranger), or because I particularly like the characters (Ravenpaw’s series), but I don’t much care for the artwork. Cats are beautiful. The people who illustrate the book covers and who did the illustrations in The Ultimate Guide know how to draw a cat. The people who draw the mangas either don’t know how to draw a cat or deliberately distort the appearance of cats. First, they commonly draw cats with big square chins. No breed of cat and no individual cat that I’ve ever seen has a big square chin. If you have a cat in your home, go look at their chin (I’ll wait). If not, look at any of the millions of cat photos on the web. You will find none with a chin as drawn in the mangas. Second, the eyes are wrong. They are typically too big, and they don’t slant upward away from the nose as a real cat’s do to varying degrees. And the pupils are always round—a real cat’s pupils contract to vertical slits in the daylight, but not these. On the whole, it seems like an attempt to draw cats in a way that makes them look more like humans. This is doing a disservice to the beauty that is cat.
True. The illustrations are beautiful, but they’re not very similar to cats 😛 Not sure I have the right to criticize the artist though, because they’re still way better at art than me;;
I think they did that to make it an art style that would fit comics or manga because, well it IS a comic/manga but they did it so much to the point where they don’t look much like cats anymore.
Interesting opinion! It’s one that I haven’t heard very much. In my personal opinion, James L Barry (the graphical novel artist) is really good. He’s having to create these books on a major time crunch, drawing hundreds of panels in a very short amount of time. The backgrounds are gorgeously detailed too. They are cartoon cats, simplified so that they can be drawn over and over again.
It’s almost important to acknowledge that the two graphical novels you are referencing were relatively early on during his work for the warriors team. The graphical novels ‘A Shadow in RiverClan,’ ‘Winds of Change,’ and ‘A Thief in ThunderClan’ are truly where his work shines. (The plots and characterization in these stories are amazing too, arguably better than most main series entries in my opinion).
I recommend taking a look into the social medias of James L Barry if you want to learn more about him! There he shares concept art and other art that he’s working on. (He can draw more realistic animals).
This is just my opinion, and if the art style degrades from your enjoyment of the graphic novels, then that’s totally fine!
I don’t mind the art. I think it was probably meant to look more non-realistic to make the cats easier to tell apart.
The bottom line for me is that I read this series because it’s about cats. The more feline they are, whether in appearance or behavior, the better. Cats, the way nature made them, are beautiful, and humans can’t improve upon them. I have no interest in reading the series the Erins have written about bears, dogs, etc.
As far as being able to tell them apart, it’s easy to tell different real cats apart: they have different fur colors, patterns, hair lengths, sizes, facial shapes, etc. I have no trouble recognizing dozens of different cats.
that’s just the art style of the warriors comic artist, james l barry! the stylization is done to make the cats more memorable, expressive, distinctive, and a bunch of other stuff. most people who do have very stylized art (including james l barry) can draw realism very well, but choose to stylize to better fit whatever art they are doing!
i think the cats in the comic are styled to look a lot more like humans because warrior cats in the books are very humanized as well. it would probably be uncanny to see a cat with more realistic proportions have human-like expressions and actions as described in the books. i do agree that it can look a bit wonky at times, but ultimately it’s better to appreciate the art and the effort that went into it than focus on the imperfections 🙂 /nm
Honestly I love the illustrations! I know that it’s not really what cats look like, but that’s what gives it the feel of fantasy! the ones I really hate are the Tigerstar and Sasha mangas… those are… well…. not my favorite. But the more recent ones have amazing art imo! A few things I’d change are making iconic markings more distinct (i.e. making Brightheart’s scar more like it’s described in the books – half her face instead of just her eye, Graystripe’s darker tabby stripes more visible, etc), but for the most part, I love the art!
true but i feel they didn’t really want a realistic style since its a graphic novel
I do agree, though I don’t feel much hate for the artwork since they’re making a whole book! It’s hard enough to do one page! So if they do super duper realistic and pretty cats for the whole book, it’ll take a whole lot of time. 🙂
i really love the art style of james l barry (the person that illustrated all graphic novels expect for tigerstar + sasha and the rise of scourge), though when it comes to the tigerstar and sasha series im gonna have to agree with you. in the few scans that ive seen of those books i found the cats so ugly and weird-looking that ive never even bothered to read any of the books from that series.
If Squirrelflight does become leader (which she probably will), who do you think should or will become deputy?
I’m leaning toward either Twigbranch or Cinderheart
Ivypool <333333
Ivypool or Lilyheart <33
ya i think cinderheart but i know shes most likely gonna do lionblaze : I
Would it really be Lionblaze tho? She did choose him for temporary deputy when she was temporary leader, but I think Squirrelflight’s meant it when he was just temporary. He can have a short temper that wouldn’t be good for a leader, as well as resorting to violence quite quickly. I really hope Cinderheart does become deputy tho!!
IVYPOOL <3
Cinderheart, Twigbranch, or Ivypool <33
Ivypool, Cinderheart, Poppyfrost and Lilyheart are my top choices
Cinderheart and Poppyfrost aren’t that much younger than Squirrelflight though, so they would probably not end up ever being a leader
Ivypool probably
Ivypool. If she doesn’t pick Ivypool I. Will. SCREAM.
How do you think the cats’ names evolved from names like Gray Wing and Silver Stripe to Graystripe and Silverstream? It just seems weird that in DotC and a few other books that took place in the ancient times all the cats’ names were like Bubbling Stream, even after the main DotC arc, so how would it change to a prefix and suffix name? Maybe they should make a novella about it because that might be cool :p
the cats in warrior cats don’t have written language, so honestly there could very well be no difference between the ancient names and the modern warrior names 😛
i’m not sure how the kit paw star thing came about, but it probably just evolved over time. calling someone “[first part of name] kit” could have grown in popularity as a nickname for kittens. also, there was a ranking convention within the ancients that called apprentices softpaws, which likely evolved into the paw suffix (i am aware that one of the cats in the book says it’s because their “paws are lead by starclan” or something like that but that’s probably just a flimsy explanation for a super old tradition lol). the star suffix i’m guessing just became a way of respectfully addressing the leader, and stuck around until it became normal to just merge it into the name.
As I remember it, the first leaders were given the -Star suffix by StarClan with their nine lives in Mothflight’s Vision. “We will split the sky. Later, the stars will rise.”
that makes a lot more sense! i haven’t read that book but i probably should
If you’ve read and enjoyed DotC, it’s a good follow up.
Ohhh that does make sense!! 😀
What’s your opinion on Thornclaw?
I really dislike him. I hated how he stuck up for injuring the Sisters instead of coming up with a peaceful solution to the problem, claiming it was for his Clan, but I think he wanted vengeance, since they took Squirrelflight hostage, but still treated her well, so I don’t see why they would need revenge. He was also quite rude to many of his Clanmates and left the Clan as a senior warrior to go for a “wander,” while Graystripe was actually leaving for an important purpose. He’s very outspoken about his opinions most of the time, which I usually absolutely do not agree with, since they usually lead to killing cats.
He’s alright. I’d like to see what made him train in the Dark Forest (I’ve always imagined it was something about patrols 😀)
Personally, age physics in Warriors is the biggest thing that keeps me awake at night. A big example, I think, is Whitewing vs Leafpool and Squirrelflight.
So Whitewing is Brightheart and Cloudtail’s firstborn (btw i love that ship) and she’s born sometime between the end of TPB and the beginning Firestar’s Quest. She’s shown as a kit, nearly an apprentice, in the epilogue of FsQ, when Leafkit and Squirrelkit are born. According to this timeline, she SHOULD be a young warrior by the start of TNP. But, no, she’s not. In fact, she’s shown as YOUNGER than Leaf and Squilf in TNP. The FireSand kits get warrior/medicine cat names long before White does. Poor White doesn’t get her name until in between TNP and PoT, whereas Squilf gets her warrior name in the first chapter of the third book in TNP (I think? Idk im not big on tnp), and Leaf gets her medicine cat name later in the same book.
I don’t know why, but this just bothers me. I understand that Whitepaw might’ve failed her assesment a few times, but if it was held up THAT LONG, it would at least draw a LITTLE bit of attention! Just like Flamepaw/Nightheart in ASC. But no, the only stuff we get from Whitepaw is that she’s the only apprentice in ThunderClan for quite a while.
These kinds of errors (and I think this is an error re Whitewing’s age and progress) show an annoying carelessness on the part of the authors and editors. There is really no excuse for this in the 21st century.
You create a database of characters. When a new character is created, you add them and their vital information: date of birth, parents, siblings, coat color and pattern, etc. As the character ages, you add new details: mentor, when they become a paw and warrior, warrior name, mate(s) and offspring (if any), etc., etc. Authors and copy editors consult this material regularly to avoid errors and inconsistencies. Why this is not done, I have no idea.
It might be because of how many cats are in the Warriors series. But I really don’t see the issue if you just keep up with it. That’s what I’m doing with my fanfic.
Well actually White wanted to delay her app ceremony so Birch wouldn’t be the only app