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i’m just popping my head in after a while (this is frostpaw/moon, i might be joining back 🙂 ), and we have an elder’s den??? so cool aaaaa
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Hi elders! Sunflight is here to groom your fur and talk about the apprentice ceremony. Why do about 99% of cats pass the test first try?
Because it’s easy? I’m honestly not sure. Maybe mentors just really don’t want to fail their apprentices because it’ll reflect badly on them.
It is DEFINITELY too easy! And, as far as I can see, someone else observes the test, such as the deputy, which is most likely to make sure the mentor doesn’t pass an apprentice who isn’t ready.
Yeah I wonder that too. And you might see that apps are only tested by their hunting skills. No battle moves. So I guess hunting is more important in clan life? But prey can’t defend a clan. As for your question I think that it’s because the test is too simple. After all I don’t think hunting is as hard as battle moves. Beside many cats didn’t even take the test.
But the test is sometimes unfair too I think. Like when Bristlefrost took it, she did it perfectly but there were nothing for her to find and it’s not her fault. She failed. So I think perhaps the clan cats shall change the test. Perhaps we shall add fighting to the test and take more days to judge them, so there won’t be coincidences. What do you think?
I agree! Another thing is that, why is it fair for some cats to have to hunt in leafbare, with little prey, while other get to hunt in newleaf or greenleaf, when prey is everywhere?
I think it’s because after 6 months of training, they’re more than ready to be made warriors. The mentors teach them every little trick that will help them, and they are very well prepared. It’s like anything – with a lot of practice, you’ll be all set to go!
There are still cats who got unlucky/didn’t pass, but these are mostly due to external factors. Just to name a few who didn’t pass first try from recent stories, Bristlepaw, Flamepaw and Skypaw.
I agree that external factors affect the test, but I also don’t think it’s fair that some cats have to do it in leafbare, with little prey (Bristlefrost), while others get to in new/greenleaf. And what about battle training? If I were a cat named Tinypaw, and I was horrible at fighting, but was a skilled hunter, I could pass the test. But if Tinypaw, now a warrior, was in battle, they could really mess up and hurt themselves or others. Tinypaw probably shouldn’t be a warrior in that case. So why don’t they test it? Sorry, this is all my opinion and I respect yours.
You raise some good points!
In my opinion, though, hunting is far more important to the survival of the cats, hence why it is one of the main aspects of the assessment.
Yes, there are many dangers in the forest such as foxes, badgers, rival clans, etc, but most times cats are in patrols. They make up for each other’s weaknesses. If Tiny is a poor fighter, than others would work to protect them, whereas hunting is a daily ritual that is essencial to the clan. In the books, they don’t often talk about hunting, but it is done every day, whereas fighting is done maybe once every 2-4 weeks.
It is important to note that hunting isn’t the only thing in the assessment. If Tinypaw’s mentor sees her failing at fighting, she won’t think Tinypaw is ready to be assessed. In the recent books, hunting is the only assessment, but in older texts, other skill are also tested beyond hunting. Those skills should be tested (so I think we’re both in agreement?)
I think the reason almost all apprentices pass is because mentors don’t assess their apprentices until they’re almost 100% sure that their apprentice will pass. I can honestly relate this to my martial arts school irl because they only let kids test for their next belt when they’re almost completely sure that the student will pass. (Speaking of, I might be testing for my purple belt on June 5! 😀) However, sometimes, just like in real life at my martial arts school, there can be exceptions, like an apprentice (or martial arts student) gets extremely anxious about the assessment and fails due to the anxiety/nervousness. Or they could just have bad luck, like we saw with Flamepaw/Nightheart. (I also think that Night could’ve just failed because it sounds like he wasn’t the best apprentice and might not have listened to what the warriors, including Lilyheart, had taught him) And I also think it might have something to do with listening to your seniors/mentor as well. 🙂
I agree! Though, I still need to consider battle training and the other factors. First, battle training is important, and if the apprentice can’t fight, they may still pass the test. Second, other factors affect the test. Why do some cats have to do it in leafbare (Bristlefrost) while others get to do it in new/greenleaf? It doesn’t seem fair to me.
Also, good luck getting a purple belt!!!
It really doesn’t seem all that fair! Apprentices who take their assessments in the warmer months, or literally any season other than leaf-bare basically, really have an advantage over apprentices taking their assessments in leaf-bare. The only reason Bristle failed her first assessment was because prey was so scarce, which makes me really angy because Bristlefrost is my second favorite character </3
And tysm!! 🩷
It’s not designed very well. Cats pass way too easy in new-leaf or green-leaf and have way too much trouble if they happen to finish training when prey is scarce
I completely agree!
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OK, I’ve read Mapleshade’s Vengeance, on the recommendation of some here, and I have the following thoughts:
Mapleshade was not very bright, was capable of a high level of self delusion, and had incredibly bad luck. We know nothing of her life before the story begins, but in the course of the story, she did not make a single good decision.
For a mate, she chose not just a warrior from another clan, but one from a clan that hers was at war with, and finally, a warrior who was responsible for the death of her leader’s son. (My understanding from the story is that the battle in which Birchface was killed happened after she and Appledusk had mated, so that is an instance of her bad luck, rather than bad judgment.)
She believed that when she eventually revealed who the father of her kits was, the clan would accept them and they would help bring peace between the two clans (self-delusion).
She didn’t exactly tell the lie that Birchface was the father of her kits, but she goes along with Frecklewish’s mistaken belief that they are, and soon the whole clan believes it. This makes the clan all the angrier when they find that the real father is Birchface’s killer. She could just has easily have said that it was not him, but she’s not saying who it is (bad decision).
She had no need to take the kits out of the camp to the river. Kits under apprentice age are not supposed to leave the camp (another bad decision). It was just bad luck that Ravenwing saw the kits swimming and interacting with Appledusk.
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Now comes the worst decision of all—forcing three 2-moon old kits, who had only been in water once, to try to swim across a flooding river. Mapleshade herself bears most of the responsibility for the deaths of her kits, far more than any of the cats she blames. She could have easily have taken a few minutes to walk upstream to the twoleg bridge to cross safely. She didn’t, and the only reason I can think of for this is that the authors (who are more powerful than StarClan) wanted to make her a villain and so had to give her a motive for murder. It is her own guilt for the deaths of her kits, which she cannot face, that drives her mad and turns her into a killer. If I were her lawyer, I would plead her not guilty by reason of insanity, but unfortunately neither the clans nor StarClan recognize this defense.
Appledusk is a mouse-heart and other worse things that the clans don’t have words for—cad and two-timer are among the milder terms twolegs use. He takes a mate in his own clan (Reedshine) when he knows that Mapleshade is carrying his kits. (In our world, this is how tomcats normally behave, but clan cats are supposed to be monogamous.) When she shows up in the RiverClan camp, he doesn’t defend her at all but distances himself from her as quickly as he can.
I agree with your sentiments on Mapleshade. People often blame Frecklewish for the death of her kits, and claim that she should’ve jumped in the river to save them, when it was Mapleshade who put them in danger in the first place.
She’s just as guilty of negligence against kits, as Frecklewish or Oakstar.
However, I feel like Appledusk bears some blame here, as well.
I understand why he’d display cold behavior towards Mapleshade, most likely he had taken Reedshine as a mate, around the time she went to RiverClan for shelter, and Reed would be upset if she discovered his affair, but he should’ve at least stood up for his kits when Darkstar refused to accept them.
No matter what crimes their mother may have committed, those kits were innocent, and I’d further argue that their mother was in no state to take care of them.
Aside from that, one of the reasons Mapleshade originally decided to introduce them to the river was so Appledusk could see them, if I recall correctly.
My thought process here is that if Appledusk really cared about his kits he couldn’t gone over to ThunderClan to visit them himself.
I understand it was risky for him to cross the river, but I feel like if he truly cared about his children, or his mate he would’ve found a way.
Tigerstar, and Dovewing choose each other over their own Clans. Greystripe went with his kits after their mother had passed away.
I really don’t see why he couldn’t have done the same.
An addendum because I wanted to clear one thing up.
When I say ‘it was risky for him to cross the river’ I’m not referring to the flooding scene, I’m referring to his comment about ‘how RiverClan is stepping up patrols so it’s gonna be difficult for us to see each other’ or smn along those lines
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Ravenwing : I expect more compassion from a medicine cat. I don’t expect them to be code enforcers—even if he did have a vision showing water reeds floating into the camp.
Frecklewish : I utterly fail to understand the decision to send this cat to the Dark Forest. Yes, she didn’t save Mapleshade’s kits, and yes the code says that “no warrior can neglect a kit in pain or danger, even if the kit is from a different clan,” but Frecklewish was a ThunderClan cat, and probably didn’t even know how to swim. The most likely outcome, if she had jumped into the river, is that she would have drowned along with the kits. Is it really reasonable to expect a cat to do that, in a vain attempt to rescue the kits of a cat who has just been banished from her clan? I say no.
Props to Myler; though a kittypet, he was the most compassionate, and possibly the most sensible cat in the story.
The 2000 character limit on these posts is really annoying
(Apologies for that last bit, WhiteWhiskers! It was implemented a few years ago to ease some of the strain on the mods during the comment approval process.)
One additional thought: killing a medicine cat at the Moonstone seems like an especially heinous crime, like piling sacrilege on top of murder. It seem like a crime against StarClan themselves.
I agree with a lot of this, I don’t really hate Ravenwing but I don’t like him, and I really hate Appledusk despite how pretty his name is. I feel bad for Mapleshade and understand why she’d go crazy, I also wish she’d come at the problem with a bit more mind (or at the very least, not expect 3 kits to swim in a flooding river).
Yes, Myler! I love Myler! I wish we got more of the kind-hearted kitty. 🙂
I think that both Ravenwing and Frecklewish should be forgiven.
Ravenwing was just doing his job as a medicine cat and reporting a sign he got from StarClan to his leader.
Frecklewish may have broken the code, but she wouldn’t have been able to save them and believed RiverClan would help
Oakstar and Appledusk, on the other hand, should be punished.
I definitely agree! Frecklewish has her side of the argument a lot more justified than Mapleshade does.
(Hope you see this)
I love this book, because Mapleshade can’t be trusted. Her viewpoint can’t be trusted. She paints herself as a hero in her own delusions, when form an objective standpoint, she was in the wrong.
As for Ravenwing… bro was doing his job. When confronting Mapleshade about her half-Clan kits, he gave her a chance to confess. To admit she was wrong. He went to her first, before telling the Clan. For him, it was a sad and tragic thing, but it was still is duty, as a follower of StarClan and the code, and as a member of ThunderClan.
On another note, Frecklewish is not canonically in the Dark Forest. That was a fan’s addition to her Wiki page
About Frecklewish, Frecklewish’s placement in the Dark Forest was canonized in 2021 when the family tree (which is official and can be trusted because it is maintained by the Erin Hunter Story Team) listed Frecklewish in the Dark Forest and the Story Team wrote an article on the official Warrior Cats site about Frecklewish’s placement. You can check out the article here (click here)!
Who do you think was the true villain in her story?
Today I’m listening to TBC4 for the 3rd time, and I’m wondering why the thunderclan cats are arguing and why they decided to go for a “wander”. For the 1st question I think it’s because all the clan cats are so tough, that there aren’t softer cats to calm things down. For the 2nd question I think it’s because the clans are cats. They have no language, which means that they have no books. From DoTC and Mothwing’s super edition we know that before the clans have Starclan they talked to ghosts, which is basically like Starclan. So Flipclaw’s opinion that the clans were before Starclan was wrong. And then they won’t doubt their ancestors so much, and even if Starclan isn’t the best, they are crucial in a clan. Which means, that cats MUST develop language if similar things aren’t to happen again. I know this won’t happen, and I think that forgetting the clans’ history is the biggest flaw of the clans. They cannot learn from their mistakes. Bristlefrost only remembered part of Ashfur’s history and they weren’t true. If the clans have history books this would surely be written down, and the cats could’ve saved a lot of time.
My opinions are just opinions and I don’t think that they are perfect. What do you think?
I agree! But, I also am thinking, before paper and writing things down, how were stories passed down? Oral telling. For example, the Bible was originally just passed down by someone telling it to someone else, who tells it to the next, on and on until it was all written down. And we know that the elders tell stories of the past to the kits and apprentices. That is how the history is passed down. But of course, as it is told, it changes, and some things will be wrong.
Not only that it will be changed but also when people passed the bible down the content was basically the same (correct me if I’m wrong) but the clans history always adds new stuff in it for example we used to hear about the great battle but we know about ashfur and you must remember both of them so it’s like there’s more stuff inside the history now. And judging from the canon books there are legends in every generation of the clans. For example the making of the first medicine cat shall be remembered but no one even knew moth flight even when they knew her name
I definitely agree with how you said the Clans forget their history and keep making the same mistakes over and over again, but it’s not like they can write it down in a history scroll for everyone to read. It must be passed down through elder’s stories, or through StarClan, which doesn’t really have a big impact since StarClan never does that and nobody listens to elders so I honestly think the Clans are kinda helpless 😛 that’s why they need cats who come from outside of the Clans like Tree to help them mediate because they have a different perspective on Clan life, if you get what I mean. 🙂
Sometimes when starclan should be interfering they don’t and that’s really really bothering the clan cats but the star clan cats just said it’s good for them because they don’t want to interevere the clans life
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You raise an important point, Fogpaw. I haven’t read TBC yet, so I won’t comment about the specifics of that story, but rather about the importance of knowing and remembering history. From early in my reading of the series I thought there was something lacking: the cats did not remember their history beyond the memory of the oldest living elder. For example, until Firestar was called upon to revive them, no living cat remembered the existence of SkyClan.
When you say that the cats lack language, I assume you mean that they lack writing. (They obviously have spoken language.) But human societies that lack written language have devised ways of recording and remembering their histories: they cast their stories into the form of poems or songs that are easier to memorize and recall. In some cultures, a specific class of people were responsible for memorizing and singing or chanting these song poems on important occasions. In Gaelic Scotland and Ireland, they were called seanchaís. In parts of West Africa, where the practice still exists, they are called griots. And the Homeric poems about the Trojan war were sung or recited for generations before being written down.
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I think that each clan should have a singer/chanter/historian whose job it is to memorize the history of the clan and the bigger events affecting all the clans. They would know the names of all the leaders and medicine cats, going back to the beginning, the important battles and the names of the dead, and big events like the great journey and the war against the Dark Forest. This would be an official position, like the medicine cat, with an apprenticeship, and like the medicine cats, they would be exempt from battle. Again, like medicine cats, they would form a sort of guild that transcended clan boundaries. I thought something like this was beginning when the leaders recited the names of the dead in the great battle at gatherings, and Jayfeather made marks on a stick representing the ThunderClan dead and required apprentices to memorize them. Unfortunately, by the end of aVoS, these customs seem to have been forgotten.
I love the idea of some kind of historian!
Yes, I really liked the custom of the leaders reciting the names of the dead and it would have been very interesting to see other traditions like that in the future. A historian position seems so cool too!
I agree with you. But because warriors is a series of books instead of real life there seems to be legends and disasters and big stuff happening in just about every generation. Which means that there will be much to record in a short period of time. So the clans must keep adding this new stuff to the old legends and perhaps one cat or two can’t memorize all these things. And when there is nothing to remember their clanmates will not respect then. So my solution is the clans should Start a ritual for example every two gatherings A cat from star clan will come down and tell them some of their old history so the clients could always remember them starking cats that has actually experienced the stories i mean i mean but there’s one problem with the solution .starclan does nit seem keen to help the living cats whenever something like this happened. they just say that they cannot interfere with the clans lives so I guess it can not be actually used
Hello elders! What do we think about Antpelt? (stares intensely)
We don’t really know much about him before he shows up training in the DF. After he is killed and becomes a permanent DF cat, he says that the DF is more his true clan than WindClan, but we don’t know why he feels that way. Then he is killed for the second time by Ivypool and is gone for good. A short, unhappy life. I gather that you believe that he was treated unjustly. Why is that? What do you think should have happened to him?
Well, he was definitely not given enough book time, he would’ve been an even more interesting character if the Erins had developed a relationship between him and Ivypool. Also, I have a habit to obsess over background characters:D
I know this is a more adult topic, so I’m not going into too much detail, but how do you guys feel about the way toxic and abusive relationships are portrayed in the books?
Warriors has, unfortunately, no shortage of unhealthy relationships (eg. ThistleXSpotted, PineXLeopard, RaggedXYellow, TigerXDove, etc), and most of the time it’s told from the victim’s point of view. What bothers me the most about these ships, though, is that the books don’t frame these as bad. In the case of Spottedpaw and Thistleclaw, the latter was much older than the former, but this relationship wasn’t seen as bad until she found out that Thistleclaw was training in the Dark Forest. With Pinestar and Leopardfoot, one of the kittypets even encouraged their relationship, even though Pinestar is literally the age of her grandmother.
The thing that the authors should keep in mind is that yes, these are cats, so they can get away with more stuff, but this isn’t okay. Younger readers might look at these relationships and model their own after their favorite ships, which might be toxic without them knowing. In my opinion, the authors need to start taking this more seriously
I definitely agree with this, but I don’t get why Tiger X Dove is toxic. I’m neutral on it, but I don’t think it would count as a toxic relationship.
I think the main issue Shades is talking about is their interactions in OOTS when Dovewing is still an apprentice, and Tigerheart is a warrior. A lot of the stuff he does can be seen as him taking advantage of her to get insight into ThunderClan affairs. And while he does love her, it is clear that he doesn’t respect her enough not to tell the rest of his clan about what she says about ThunderClan. So he’s using her.
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The Erins are all older woman, who come from a time period where abuse was little talked about, maybe even considered acceptable in certain situations.
It’s possible that in some cases the Erin’s may not realize they are writing an abusive relationship. Or it’s possible that they may not be educated on the topic.
Or perhaps they are in an abusive relationship themselves and may not know how to properly portray them.
However in the case of Spotted/Thistle: I think the reason it wasn’t framed as bad until the very end was because it was told from Spottedpaw’s PoV and she didn’t realize it was toxic until later.
Tbh, the large number of couples in Warriors with huge age gaps is low-key surprising lmao.
One could pass it off as the Erins forgetting ages, but even then, it is their editors responsibility to catch these mistakes, is it not? So is EVERYONE on their staff lazy or do they just not care about what messages they are sending to children?
Alright, changing tack for a moment I do agree, the Erins probably should go through their own writing, clarify which relationships are toxic and then portray the ones that are toxic as toxic.
If they had done that in the first place we would not have the controversy surrounding Squirrelflight x Bramblestar lol.
(Regarding the first half of this comment, I would like to remind everyone that everyone on the Erin Hunter team are more than just celebrities or names we never get to see the faces of, and that it’s not our place to speculate what happens in their private lives. Their lives are their own and, though those lives may influence the work they put out into the world, we should respect them and their privacy just as we would for any other person in the world ^^)
I get that a lot of fans are younger and may not understand this topic, but I hate how they try and justify some toxic relationships. For example, Squirrelflight isn’t perfect but StarClan literally told her to raise Leaf’s kits (correct me if I’m wrong). I understand him being upset that she didn’t tell him but that’s a tough decision to make. Bramblestar has always been far worse and not once have they been an equal rank, and he used that to control her sometimes which I don’t like. There’s lots more issues, too. I think the issue is that the authors don’t realize how toxic these ships are. I’m pretty sure some of the author’s have said favorite ships are some of the toxic ones you listed. (One of them loves Tiger x Dove, I believe? Or it might be Bramble x Squirrel)
Overall, this is a pretty gross issue in the books and I don’t like how people literally debate over whether these relationships are toxic and who abuses who, it’s really icky and sometimes feels like those people aren’t taking the issue as seriously as they should.
(“I know this is a more adult topic” Me, a girl half-way through middle school, immediately joining the discussion 😛)
Yeah, I did notice the LOTS we have of toxic/abusive relationships. That’s why ASC is so brillant: they are portraying toxic as toxic. It’s even a major plot point. Did you notice how Sunbeam is described to feel powerless against her mother? And there’s the whole Splashtail being “infuriatingly kind” and “I know a suggestible medicine cat >:)” stuff.
I agree with you, and I think the Erins have noticed their mistake recently. They got rid of Bramblestar. They portrayed Splashtail as wrong for being in a relationship with Frostpaw, even showing him meeting with the evil guys and talking about using her, showing how he’s taking advantage of her. They showed Berryheart as a bully to her son’s mate and as manipulative to her daughter. So I think they’re trying to fix it, and that makes me really happy!
I agree. Even through gore, toxic relationships, and adult topics, it’s still considered a kid’s series. Abuse from mates is clear throughout the books which can either encourage kids that it’s normal, or scare them away from a relationship in the future. Books can have impact.
Hey, elders! Just popping by to get you some moss and a little rant. 😛 So, does anyone ever wonder about Midnight? Or animals like the rat leader in Firestar’s Q? I would love to see more of them. I know that *SPOILERS* the rat leader died, but what about Midnight? I wish we could’ve gotten to see her more. Disclaimer: I haven’t read ASC, so I don’t know if Midnight or any other creatures are shown.
It would be kind of interesting, but I honestly don’t really like Midnight. She’s kind of annoying.😛
Really, why’s that?
She is too similar to StarClan, the prophecies and not being clear about ANYTHING. She also just reminds me of Rock.
She also makes the story confusing because she is literally a badger 🙂
it would be interesting to see Midnight again
unrelated but-
helllloooo just found out about this page! hoping to be active on it but will most likely fail
Why should you fail? Pick a topic that interests you and tell us your thoughts. Give the reasons behind your views. Go deeper than I love/hate this character or I ship/don’t ship this couple. That’s what this place is for.
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Medicine cats are generally supposed to be the cats in the clan closest with StarClan in their clans. What’s your guy’s opinions on med cats being supposed to have a connection with them and being demoted if they are found not to be, like what happened with Mothwing? I personally think that it’s ok to be a requirement but since Mothwing was already a medicine cat, she shouldn’t have been demoted because she was already a medicine cat and they could have just looked for an apprentice to be RiverClan’s connection to StarClan. But I haven’t read the books where she is demoted yet so maybe that was impossible at the moment or something. I’m just wondering because I am writing a fic with a more complicated roles system.
Maybe. I think there should be a separate medicine cat and spiritual cat, to avoid situations like that.
I like that idea and that’s sort of how I’m doing it! I think in the books, some of the clans may not be big enough to have a role specifically for communicating with StarClan, but if they have a role only meant for mediating, I guess they can fit that in too.
The story is told in the novella Mistystar’s Omen. She is not demoted for very long. StarClan makes clear that, though Mothwing doesn’t believe in them, they believe in her. And RiverClan had Willowshine to deal with the spiritual aspects of medicine cat duties.
So they had Willowshine when she got demoted? If I were Mistystar I wouldn’t have cared because there was already a connection to StarClan in the clan
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about 10 days
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So I’m still reading Yellowfang’s Secret, and although I’ve just passed the part where her kits are born, I have a lot of thoughts already.
– Nutwhisker (as a kit) was a mischievous little boi
– Wait Red was Russetfur?? The same cat that was murdered by Lionblaze? Whaaaat??
– Raggedpelt is not my favorite. Sometimes he can be nice, and I can notice the authors putting in dialogue to make him seem nice, but it doesn’t do much to his character. He treats Yellowfang like she should make her decisions based on him and it’s a repeating pattern. I mean, when Yellowfang becomes a fully-fledged medicine cat, Raggedpelt is extremely angry and annoyed at her and won’t even look at her. Why?? He should’ve been happy for her, of all things. Raggedpelt has really annoyed me throughout the whole book.
– I love the fact that there is a character in this book named Marmalade.
Heyyyyyyy!
What do you think about the journey to the lake? Since the ancients lived there before they went to the mountains, and the Clans came from the mountains, why did they move? THEY JUST WENT BACK TO THE BEGINNING!!!
Heyyyyyyy!
What do you think about the journey to the lake? Since the ancients lived there before they went to the mountains, and the Clans came from the mountains, why did they move? THEY JUST WENT BACK TO THE BEGINNING!!! This is sooooooooo weird. (Probably duplicate comment)
I agree – Raggedpelt is super annoying 🙂
Yes, Red became Russetfur—a rogue who ultimately became clan deputy and was killed by Lionblaze in a senseless and unnecessary battle.