HollyleafTheGreat shares their opinion on some characters and whether they should or shouldn’t enter the Dark Forest in their afterlife.

Hey everyone! I, the great Hollyleaf, am here to share with you 5 cats people think should go to the Dark Forest, but really don’t (And one cat these people are right about)
5.) Onestar: Onestar was pretty awful, and did the one thing Tallstar mad him deputy to prevent Mudclaw from doing, but he was being prideful and stupid. He was trying to make WindClan look stronger. He didn’t have evil intentions.
4.) Mudclaw: Mudclaw was a villain for less than one book. Mudclaw was upset, and reasonably so, because he was replaced last minute by someone when he’d been a loyal deputy for moons. Maybe Tallstar didn’t think he should be leader, but he wasn’t evil. Angry and maybe he’d have made poor decisions, but not evil.
3.) Hollyleaf: Hollyleaf killed someone, and gets to go to StarClan? In her defense, her whole life was falling down, and at a fast rate, and Ashfur deserved it, so she was justified when she came back and tried to right her wrongs, and she redeemed herself. She didn’t do it because she was evil. She was just shattered
2.) Rainflower: Rainflower abandoned her son, Crookedstar, and treated him worse than dirt. And I hate her. But I don’t think she was evil. I think she wanted to disown him because she thought he’d die, and when it was clear he’d be fine, she was afraid to take it back, afraid he wouldn’t accept her, and hate her for what she’d done. And she couldn’t give him a life as a punishment. Shellheart tells Crookedstar that she’s there, watching his ceremony, but his last life is his to give. The other cats got first dibs, so Rainflower’s punishment was only giving him a life if they ended up short. And when he dies, she’s there to welcome him. Horrible? Yes. Cowardly? Yes! Evil? No. Regretful? Absolutely.
1.) Appledusk: Do you know just how many people think Appledusk deserved to go to the Dark Forest, and not Mapleshade? It’s a lot. But Appledusk was nothing more than a jerk. Not evil. And I agree with Mapleshade when she says it was an accident. I don’t think Appleusk tried to kill Birchface, and sometimes cats die in a battle. Most cats that kill in a battle never meant to kill anyone. So he’s no saint, but not evil
The trend: These cats are all cats who have done bad things, and so people want them sent to the Dark Forest. But these cats are not evil. Onestar made bad choices, and was an idiot, but wasn’t doing it with malicious intent. Mudclaw was angry that, after serving as deputy for moons, was not made leader, and thought he could help his clan, and didn’t do it because he wanted to hurt, Hollyleaf had her whole world be destroyed before her eyes, exiled herself, and came back to redeem herself, Rainflower commited horrible actions, but only on one cat and likely thought she could never go back, and Appledusk was mean but he never did anything truly evil. The Dark Forest is not just a place where bad cats go. Just because you don’t like someone doesn’t mean they should suffer eternal hunger while slowly fading. That’s like saying Millie should go to the Dark Forest because you prefer GrayxSilver. But Millie wasn’t evil.
And now:
The cat who DOES deserve to go to the Dark Forest is:
Ashfur: You all saw this coming. He tried to let 3 cats BURN TO DEATH to make Squirrelflight hurt. Not only that, but he took one of Firestar’s lives. Not because these cats did anything wrong, or he was delusional like Mapleshade, but because he wanted Squirrelflight to be in pain. And the only reason he didn’t was because he now had a secret that could destroy Squirrelflight, her foster kits, and Brambleclaw. There is no reason that Ashfur, who is EVIL, should go to StarClan. He’s not an idiot like Onestar, he’s not reasonably upset like Mudclaw, his world wasn’t breaking around him and nor did he redeem himself like Hollyleaf, he’s not a coward who can’t admit when he was wrong like Rainflower, and he wasn’t just a jerk like Appledusk. He was genuinely evil.
hm,i agree with all of your points.
Appledusk doesnt deserve Dark Forest. He deserve hell.
same thing
heh if Ashfur gets to go to the DF so does Oakstar because he ACTUALLY made 3 kits die.
Well not really at all.
Oakstar didn’t know Mapleshade would take them across the river. He didn’t know how stupid she was. He did exile kittens which maybe should be illegal but he did NOT make 3 kits die.
He actually did. He was attacking kittypets in their own territory, so he knew she wouldn’t go to Twolegplace. The only other place she’d go was RiverClan, and he knew fine well that the river was flooded.
yes im carrying on a debate from a month ago that’s what I doI agree, Ashfur should go to the Dark Forest. StarClan’s excuse that he loved to much isn’t even a fourth of what he did
No, he hated too much. He hated Squirrelflight for not being his mate. He wanted to make her suffer.
I definitely agree!
Ashfur DEFINITELY deserves the Dark Forest.
And I think Rainflower and Appledusk do as well.
Turtle Tail will always be the queen to me <3
I could not care less that Ashfur started the fire. BUT, he would’ve seen his clan leader dead to prove a point. Ashfur ‘loved’ so much he didn’t care about anyone but Squirrelflight, and he was willing to have collateral damage to get to her. Think of popular villains that have a gripe with the hero. That is their motivation, and a good motivation does not stop them from doing bad things. JUST LIKE ASHFUR. Also, villains never win, yet the fact that they wanted to do it is what makes them evil.
Yeah I think that Ashfur should have gone to the Dark Forest. I was surprised when they showed him in StarClan.
Ashfur should have been made a ghost and then put into StarClan when it is definite that he’s good
I sort of agree but I think that it should have been a ghost until alignment determined. Sort of like with Leafpool and Squirrelflight, ya know?
yeah that’s what I meant
I agree with you and I never thought about Ashfur being so so evil
but now i see
I agree 100%
I think there should be a middle life. Where you can find happiness, but you need to earn it.
Yeah!
That makes sense
To be honest I 100% hate Rainflower and think that she deserves dark foresting, she completely SHATTERED Crookedjaws life! I mean if someone that was super important to you that you thought that you could count on to be encouraging and support you suddenly judged you for a accident that was completely not your fault and ignored and disowned you and acted like they didn’t care about you for the rest of your life, you would feel pretty awful about it, and I personally don’t think that that is a thing that could ever be furgiven, please post your oppinion about that.😦
i disagree on appledusk and rainflower
rainflower DESTRYED crookedstars life and appledusk did the same to mapleshade
Rainflower didn’t DESTROY his life, but she could have if crookedstar had a different personality.
Appledusk did not destroy mapleshade’s life, mapleshade destroyed her own, went on three suicide missions and didn’t come out alive in the end, basically knowing she was going to die so i don’t know if you used the right terms here.
The only one I’m not sure I agree on is Hollyleaf. Killing someone can’t be excused. But I agree on the rest!
YES, yes. your so freaking right.
I dunno… Ashfur attempted murder which, in my opinion is as bad as murder, so Ashfur should definitely be in the DF and Hollyleaf does get StarClan because she was remorseful and didn’t have some crazy excuse like “loving too much”
yellowfang will forever be mocked for saying thatSo Ashfur is like hollyleaf times 10 bc she regretted it and he didn’t
Also, Hollyleaf was pushed to a breaking point. Her very existence went against her beliefs. That has to hurt. She killed out of fear, and out of everything she thought being a lie.